<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Bryce Nesbitt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bryce2@obviously.com" target="_blank">bryce2@obviously.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Paul Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org" target="_blank">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bryce2@obviously.com" target="_blank">bryce2@obviously.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>A caravan site might have 200 private hookups. We don't want the hookups to be rendered at the same level as the central dump station.</div></div><div>Backyard dump stations should render even less prominently, if they are even mapped at all.</div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra">Let's not forget that tagging isn't the renderer. If a renderer can't dim or hide access=private on such a POI when it's not desirable to display a private sanidump, it's the renderer, not the tagging, that's broken.</div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">Let's not forget that humans are mappers. The shared sanidump at the local caravan site might well get tagged access=private.</div><div class="gmail_extra"></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's something that can be fixed.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Or maybe access=private will be used for the per site hookups.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right (or customers).</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><u>The cases seem to be:</u></div></span><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">private backyard dump stations.</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">per-site hookup, available only to registered residents (at a long term residential trailer park or dock).</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">per-site hookup, available only to registered guests at a leisure destination</div><span class=""><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"></div></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>access=private for all three.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">shared dump station, available only to guests of the destination</div></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>access=customers</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"></div></span><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">shared dump station, available for drive up/boat up use.</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"></div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">shared dump station, free.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>access=yes (or just no access tag at all).</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><u>Tagged on:</u></div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Way/node <span style="font-size:small"> </span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span class=""><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">As a tagged property of a mapped place (e.g. campground, store, fuel station), without a specific position.</div></span><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Probably not as this is almost certainly too vague. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">As a tagged property of a numbered slot (e.g. sites 1-22 offer per-site hookups).</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Reasonable, as it's often hard to get high enough imagery to narrow it down further and most people (I'm certainly not and I probably care more than most) aren't likely to break out the theodolite and start doing trig...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Each of those cases needs clear tags if we hope mappers to use them consistently. Your suggestions?</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I think not trying to redefine access=* for just this situation is a start.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>