<div dir="ltr">Sorry for the google maps links on this, but I've found NJ's use of shoulders (or "curb lanes") as bike lanes kind of strange. I would tag this as cycleway=lane but nothing for shoulder.<div>For example: (note the trash can in the "lane")<div> <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5149298,-74.5297972,3a,40.9y,53.58h,83.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QLvGdBx82YW5Xs75YzWzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5149298,-74.5297972,3a,40.9y,53.58h,83.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QLvGdBx82YW5Xs75YzWzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656</a></div><div><br></div><div>Although I felt perfectly safe biking on this road this morning (without the sharrows / bikes only sign):</div><div><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5407346,-74.5356208,3a,75y,207.71h,66.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJwFCiQoh4c09hukm1CsuNw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5407346,-74.5356208,3a,75y,207.71h,66.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJwFCiQoh4c09hukm1CsuNw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>This would be a good candidate for the shoulder tag, but some shoulders are not bikable at all because of debris, grates, illegally? parked cars, etc.</div></div><div><br></div><div>The second one looks more similar to CR 546, and I would definitely want to be able to see this information in OpenStreetMap, because these road tend to be far more bikable than something without a shoulder. Which is extremely common in NJ. </div><div><br></div><div>(example: <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@40.299179,-74.8338145,3a,75y,69.82h,65.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sedhRN9KpSkOu9mpGC1w-SQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DedhRN9KpSkOu9mpGC1w-SQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D130.6606%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656">https://www.google.com/maps/@40.299179,-74.8338145,3a,75y,69.82h,65.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sedhRN9KpSkOu9mpGC1w-SQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DedhRN9KpSkOu9mpGC1w-SQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D130.6606%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656</a>)</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike  Dupont <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com" target="_blank">jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Take a look at this map of the area<br>
<a href="http://www.dvrpc.org/asp/bikemercer/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.dvrpc.org/asp/bikemercer/</a><br>
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It would not be used as a source, but it gives you an idea of what<br>
people call bike-able around here.<br>
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst <<a href="mailto:richard@systemed.net">richard@systemed.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Elliott Plack wrote:<br>
>> I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps<br>
>> recommending that the routing tools consider that.<br>
><br>
> I'd be genuinely delighted to add shoulder support to <a href="http://cycle.travel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cycle.travel</a> when<br>
> there's more than a trace number of shoulder tags present in the OSM<br>
> database - missing shoulder information is the second biggest bike routing<br>
> issue in the US IMO (after bogus TIGER highway=residential, of course). But<br>
> as Paul says, please don't misuse cycleway tags for this.<br>
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> cheers<br>
> Richard<br>
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