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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">My experience elsewhere is that
shoulders are not considered legal driving lanes for motor vehicles, except
under special circumstances, such as a construction zone where a normal
driving lane has been shut down. People who try to use the shoulder as a
driving lane receive traffic citations.</p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">-- <br>
John F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com<br>
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.<br>
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style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10pt 0;">On
October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burke <burkejf3@gmail.com> wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr"><div>Wait, question:</div><div><br></div><div>Are these
shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for motor vehicles
as well?</div><div><br></div><div>--jack</div><div><br></div></div><div
class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at
11:47 PM, Elliott Plack <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:elliott.plack@gmail.com"
target="_blank">elliott.plack@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div
dir="ltr">Mike,<div><br></div><div>I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes
tags in wide use yet. I use the cycleway tags on the highway line way to
denote bike lanes that are part of the road surface, as it seems your case
is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in this case it is arguable if the
shoulder is a lane. What is certain is that most cyclists treat shoulders
as such. <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway"
target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway</a> </div><div><br></div><div>I'm
interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle and
ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I looked
on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes and
such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work: <a
href="https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature"
target="_blank">https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature</a></div><span
class="HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Elliott</div></font></span></div><div
class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div
dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont <<a
href="mailto:jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com"
target="_blank">jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Hi
there,<br>
This road cr 546 (<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer">http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939</a>) and<br>
many others here in the area has extra wide wide shoulders that<br>
people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such<br>
so that we can also use that for routing?<br>
<br>
Here is a table of the segments with lane information<br>
<a
href="http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer">http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf</a><br>
<br>
I see <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder</a> and<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes</a> what are your
thoughts on a<br>
detailed tagging for this information.<br>
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<br>
thanks<br>
mike<br>
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