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It was very late this morning when I wrote that and I think I need
to clarify a bit further after a bit of sleep.<br>
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Yesterday OSM had edits in 165 countries, now while that doesn't
directly give us information on how many countries we actually have
contributors in, I think it is safe to assume that we have dozens of
different legislations to deal with. The OSMF, at least in the past,
has not made prescriptive statements or even just given guidance as
to who can sign up, who can map, where they can map and so on. For
example there are no statements on participation from countries
where mapping might be illegal. In general we simply assume that the
locals know what they are doing.<br>
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So not having anything formal from the OSMF on COPPA is not a
surprise, it should be expected. The topic itself however has had a
relative high visibility due to the US connection and the resulting
fear of enforcement if OSM was to specifically target youths in the
US, as already pointed out this was mostly before the 2013 COPPA
revision. <br>
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That said, it is by far not the only issue that we are ignoring wrt
participation from minors for example they typically can't actually
enter in to contracts (at least not without lots of caveats and
specific further age limits) which would effect the validity of our
sign up process as it currently is. <br>
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If the board considers it worthwhile, the LWG could take this on and
see if there is a way to handle this (likely by some form of
parental consent) during the sign up process without creating a
cascade of further problems. <br>
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Simon<br>
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PS: given that this is slowly getting very off topic , I would
suggest carrying on the discussion on the legal-talk list.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.11.2015 um 02:26 schrieb Simon
Poole:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.11.2015 um 01:26 schrieb Kate
Chapman:<br>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">The groups releasing
Geobadges "TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org and
American Geographical Society" are not large multi-million
dollar US organizations. None of them have highly paid
in-house lawyers. Thank you for pointing out the
legislation, do you hangout on all of the other country
specific lists to point out legislation to people?</span><br>
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<div>I was an active member of the community in 2009 and I'm
unaware of any specific discussions of this nature. There
have been efforts to perform outreach to high schools and
scouts at least since that time. If something was too
sensitive to minute, then how is anyone supposed to know
that is the case?</div>
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The 2009 public discussions were, well, public, and mainly in the
context of the contributor terms and other T&Cs (see the
legal-talk archives), further there is at least one draft of a OSM
privacy policy with relevant text (which likely started to bitrot
immediately) see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy_-_Discussion_Draft#Children">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy_-_Discussion_Draft#Children</a>
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As to other records, there are two problems: a) the OSMF wiki site
isn't searchable so finding something is near impossible, and b)
there is no guarantee that something was minuted in the first
place, particularly if it was advice received from counsel (former
boards have been very concerned about that) As a result I can just
relate hearsay that the board or at least the subset that made up
the LWG at the time, was informed and aware of the issue. <br>
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Simon<br>
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