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Hi Kate<br>
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The changes on Geobadges are naturally OK (in a way, more see
below) it just isn't backed up by measures on the OSMF side. Aka we
don't do any age checking at all and I'm slightly concerned that
addressing US youths and only having (whatever) enforcement for half
of the equation is not such a good idea. I'm further slightly
concerned that multi-million budget US based organisations, likely
with dozens of highly paid in-house lawyers, need me to point out
their local legislation to them.<br>
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The more general, relevant for OSM, issue is that we should fix the
problem properly where we can, given that sooner or later we wont be
able to ignore it. And it seems that it is now "sooner". Either
arrange things that we are either exempt from getting consent from
the parents, having a procedure in place for this to be documented
or at least some measures in place that outline what the potential
dangers are (doodling "my home" on the map has a different quality
if a 60 year does it than a 10 year old) . <br>
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To be clear: "I" don't want to exclude a 12 year old US resident
that is interested in collecting data in their neighbourhood from
making surveying for OSM their hobby*, as a result I'm slightly
unhappy with the above, but short term it is likely the only thing
we can do.<br>
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As to "people all over the world are encouraging teenagers": there
are likely numerous other countries where their is similar
legislation. it is simply that the US is a well known case. The
oldest discussions of this go back to at least 2009 (before I was an
active member of the community). From the LWG side, if I'm not
totally mistaken, the policy has always been to not specifically
target children and youths. This may have been considered so
sensitive that it was never minuted,, but the current and past board
members that were involved are well aware of this. <br>
<br>
Simon<br>
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* personal opinion as a parent is that I don't see a value in trying
to get kids to spend even more time in from of a screen simply arm
chairing, but going outside collecting stuff, great.<br>
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Am 17.11.2015 um 22:11 schrieb Kate Chapman:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Simon,
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<div>What do you mean by address the OSM side of things? People
all over the world are encouraging teenagers to contribute to
OSM, this has been on going for years. Steven removed the part
which encouraged people under the age of 13. What is the
issue?</div>
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<div>-Kate</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Simon
Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>></span>
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<div>Thais good, but doesn't address the OSM side of
things. <br>
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Historically, aka pre 2013 revision of COPPA, we
couldn't touch sub 13teeners with a long pole. That may
have improved a bit, theoretically, with the 2013
revision of COPPA, but nobody has actually done the
foot- and paperwork involved to find out and address any
issues. <br>
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I don't want to dig too deep in to the things that might
be considered problematic given general US paranoia on
such topics, but I would consider completely ignoring
this a bit risky.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
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Simon</font></span>
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Am 17.11.2015 um 19:03 schrieb Steven Johnson:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Simon,
<div>The developers selected the Credly platform
specifically so that the OSM community is not in
the business of collecting and managing
personally identifiable information (PII). Also,
we're doing two things to insure GeoBadges users
understand terms and conditions of the badging
process:</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">1. <span
style="font-size:small">We're adding
language to the 'About' section of the site
to clarify the relationship: </span><i
style="font-size:12.8px">"</i><i
style="font-size:12.8px">For GeoBadge
earning and issuing, we work with the
Credly.com platform. Credly manages all
earner-level data and security. By
partnering with Credly, we can help earners
increase the impact of their achievements by
sharing it on social media platforms and
connecting to other digital badging projects
that also use Credly. To learn more about
Credly, visit <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://credly.com/" target="_blank">credly.com</a>.</i></div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"><i
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</i></div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"><i
style="font-size:12.8px">GeoBadges complies
with the COPPA and DCMA laws of the United
States. Only individuals age 13+ are
eligible to earn GeoBadges. If any content
on the site seems inappropriate or out of
compliance, please contact us immediately
at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:geobadges@americangeo.org"
target="_blank">geobadges@americangeo.org</a>."</i><br>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px"><i
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">2. We're removing
the Grade 3-5 option, since clearly that
would be marketed to under 13.</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">Thanks for your
concern. Hope I've addressed your question.
Best regards,</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div>-- SEJ<br>
-- twitter: @geomantic<br>
-- skype: sejohnson8<br>
<br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font
size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">"Wretches, utter wretches,
keep your hands off beans!" - v.141, <i>On
Nature, </i>Empedocles</font></span><br>
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6:59 AM, Simon Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:simon@poole.ch">simon@poole.ch</a></a>></span>
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I assume that you have got legal advice on
the COPPA related consequences of your
activities and are willing to share this
with the OSMF?<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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Simon</font></span>
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<div>Am 17.11.2015 um 02:45 schrieb
Steven Johnson:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello list,
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<div>Just in time for #OSMGeoweek,
TeachOSM with support from
Mapstory.org and American
Geographical Society, has released
the first OpenStreetMap Surveyor I
badge.[1] </div>
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<div>The badge is aimed at the
newest open mappers of any age and
is awarded for successful
acquisition of basic editing
skills on OpenStreetMap. We
envision this badge to be the
first in a constellation of more
specialized badges based on skill
sets, domains, area knowledge, and
so forth. For more info on the
mechanics of GeoBadges, see the
AGS blog post[2].<br>
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<div>We have a special deal during
OSMGeoweek: Anyone who maps in any
of the #100Mapathons,
#MissingMaps, #PeaceCorps, or #HOT
events during OSMGeoweek will be
eligible to claim the badge. Just
make sure to comment your
changeset with one of the 2015
OSMGeoweek hashtags so we can find
it. </div>
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<div>Happy Mapping, everyone...</div>
<div><br>
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<div>[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bit.ly/1NAhybF"
target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1NAhybF</a></div>
<div>[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://t.co/nfsoqNYFvW"
rel="nofollow" dir="ltr"
title="http://bit.ly/1Pwsi0G"
target="_blank"><span>http://</span><span>bit.ly/1Pwsi0G</span></a> </div>
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<div>-- SEJ<br>
-- twitter: @geomantic<br>
-- skype: sejohnson8<br>
<br>
<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font
size="2" face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">"Wretches,
utter wretches, keep
your hands off beans!" -
v.141, <i>On Nature, </i>Empedocles</font></span><br>
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