<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Interesting, a bit troubling, to see an increasing number of layers — abstraction — between the end user and the OSM data. Now it’s three — the web site itself, Mobify (never heard of them), Mapbox — between the end user and OSM. Makes it easier for all the intermediaries to point to the others for attribution requirements. And harder for the OSM community to enforce this simple but important requirement. OSM can only benefit from having many eyes on the map if we can continue to close this feedback loop. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To my mind it’s on Mapbox to enforce attribution, I assume having this present on the map is in the terms they present to their customers?<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Martijn<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Fred Hillhouse <<a href="mailto:f.hillhouse.jr@gmail.com" class="">f.hillhouse.jr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" class="">Their tiles are coming from Mapbox. Who gets the attribution?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" class=""><a href="http://b.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/dondeinc.i1021nhc/17/37433/50038.jpg70?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoiZG9uZGVpbmMiLCJhIjoiZ200QzN4dyJ9.KIhMqSmPUSn9Kru51GZT4g" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://b.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/dondeinc.i1021nhc/17/37433/50038.jpg70?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoiZG9uZGVpbmMiLCJhIjoiZ200QzN4dyJ9.KIhMqSmPUSn9Kru51GZT4g</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" class="">Fred<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1" class=""></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><font size="2" face="Tahoma" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;" class="">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Harald Kliems [<a href="mailto:kliems@gmail.com" class="">mailto:kliems@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:08 AM<br class=""><b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Hans De Kryger; Peter Dobratz<br class=""><b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org" class="">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br class=""><b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Talk-us] OSM attribution on website store locator pages</span></font><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Might make more sense to directly contact Mobify as the map provider. I have suspicion Pieology will have no clue what you're talking about and wouldn't be able to fix it themselves anyway. Contact for mobify: <a href="http://www.mobify.com/contact/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.mobify.com/contact/</a> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> Harald.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:10 AM Hans De Kryger <<a href="mailto:hans.dekryger13@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">hans.dekryger13@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;" class="">I see nothing on the entire site linking/mentioning osm. their emails <a href="mailto:info@pieology.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">info@pieology.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you want to contact them.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><font size="3" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;" class="">Regards,</span></font></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><font size="3" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;" class="">Hans</span></font></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Peter Dobratz <<a href="mailto:peter@dobratz.us" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">peter@dobratz.us</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I'm seeing OSM data used more and more for generating the basemap onto which things like store location data is displayed on store websites. However, it's not always easy to find links to OSM attribution on such maps.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Has anyone seen this?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><a href="http://locations.pieology.com/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://locations.pieology.com/</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">There's a link to <a href="http://www.mobify.com/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.mobify.com/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in the lower-left corner, but I can't seem to find any links to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.openstreetmap.org/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>anywhere on the page.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" color="#888888" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" color="#888888" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class="">Peter<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" color="#888888" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Talk-us mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Talk-us mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div></blockquote></div></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Talk-us mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org" class="">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us" class="">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a></span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></body></html>