<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Martijn van Exel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org" target="_blank">m@rtijn.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Interesting, a bit troubling, to see an increasing number of layers — abstraction — between the end user and the OSM data. Now it’s three — the web site itself, Mobify (never heard of them), Mapbox —  between the end user and OSM. Makes it easier for all the intermediaries to point to the others for attribution requirements. And harder for the OSM community to enforce this simple but important requirement. OSM can only benefit from having many eyes on the map if we can continue to close this feedback loop. <div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>There is one more layer of abstraction: the design firm <a href="http://www.magneticcreative.com/">http://www.magneticcreative.com/</a>.  It seems that Magnetic Creative would understand this issue.  They have their name in fine print at the bottom of each page on the site.  Just as they want their name published for potential clients, OpenStreetMap would like attribution for potential future mappers.  I added their email to the list.  They would have to join the list to respond, etc.  However, they should be able to pick up the drift from this email chain.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div></div><div>To my mind it’s on Mapbox to enforce attribution, I assume having this present on the map is in the terms they present to their customers?<span><font color="#888888"><br><div><br></div></font></span><div><span><font color="#888888">Martijn</font></span><div><div><br><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Fred Hillhouse <<a href="mailto:f.hillhouse.jr@gmail.com" target="_blank">f.hillhouse.jr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Their tiles are coming from Mapbox. Who gets the attribution?<u></u><u></u></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><a href="http://b.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/dondeinc.i1021nhc/17/37433/50038.jpg70?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoiZG9uZGVpbmMiLCJhIjoiZ200QzN4dyJ9.KIhMqSmPUSn9Kru51GZT4g" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://b.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/dondeinc.i1021nhc/17/37433/50038.jpg70?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoiZG9uZGVpbmMiLCJhIjoiZ200QzN4dyJ9.KIhMqSmPUSn9Kru51GZT4g</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Fred<u></u><u></u></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma"><span> </span>Harald Kliems [<a href="mailto:kliems@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kliems@gmail.com</a>]<span> </span><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span> </span>Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:08 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b><span> </span>Hans De Kryger; Peter Dobratz<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b><span> </span><a href="mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b><span> </span>Re: [Talk-us] OSM attribution on website store locator pages</span></font><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Might make more sense to directly contact Mobify as the map provider. I have suspicion Pieology will have no clue what you're talking about and wouldn't be able to fix it themselves anyway. Contact for mobify: <a href="http://www.mobify.com/contact/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.mobify.com/contact/</a> <u></u><u></u></span></font></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"> Harald.<u></u><u></u></span></font></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:10 AM Hans De Kryger <<a href="mailto:hans.dekryger13@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">hans.dekryger13@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">I see nothing on the entire site linking/mentioning osm. their emails <a href="mailto:info@pieology.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">info@pieology.com</a><span> </span>if you want to contact them.<u></u><u></u></span></font></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></span></font></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><b><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Regards,</span></font></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><b><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Hans</span></font></b><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Peter Dobratz <<a href="mailto:peter@dobratz.us" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">peter@dobratz.us</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">I'm seeing OSM data used more and more for generating the basemap onto which things like store location data is displayed on store websites.  However, it's not always easy to find links to OSM attribution on such maps.<u></u><u></u></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Has anyone seen this?<u></u><u></u></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><a href="http://locations.pieology.com/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://locations.pieology.com/</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">There's a link to <a href="http://www.mobify.com/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.mobify.com/</a><span> </span>in the lower-left corner, but I can't seem to find any links to<span> </span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/</a><span> </span>anywhere on the page.<u></u><u></u></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" color="#888888" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(136,136,136)"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" color="#888888" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(136,136,136)">Peter<u></u><u></u></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" color="#888888" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(136,136,136)"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-us mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">_______________________________________________<br>Talk-us mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></div></blockquote></div></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Talk-us mailing list</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important"><a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space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