<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><br></div>These types of roads (portions of roads are somewhat common in the City of Cleveland - for example, here's a selection of them - <a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/goF">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/goF</a> ) I've done Martijn's #2 option but as Jack Burke noted, I used alt_name instead since it's less ambiguous as name_1. <br><br></div>Regards,<br></div>Will<br><div><div><br><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:12 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:talk-us-request@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-us-request@openstreetmap.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Talk-us mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Odd road / odd structure (Martijn van Exel)<br>
2. 'Honorary' street name conflicts with posted name - how to<br>
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3. Re: 'Honorary' street name conflicts with posted name - how<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:53:44 -0600<br>
From: Martijn van Exel <<a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a>><br>
To: Steve Friedl <<a href="mailto:steve@unixwiz.net">steve@unixwiz.net</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Odd road / odd structure<br>
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Hi Steve,<br>
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It looks like there is garage access, so I would tag it highway=service, possibly with an appropriate access= tag if access is restricted.<br>
<a href="https://bit.ly/1WNyjdd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/1WNyjdd</a> <<a href="https://bit.ly/1WNyjdd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/1WNyjdd</a>><br>
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If you are referring to the foot access to the west of that, I’d do highway=footway (perhaps with bicycle=yes if appropriate) and name it Paisley Place as well, if that name refers to that side of the homes also.<br>
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Martijn<br>
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> On May 23, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Steve Friedl <<a href="mailto:steve@unixwiz.net">steve@unixwiz.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi all,<br>
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> I have two things that I just don’t quite know how to map. Sorry that I have to provide Google Maps views to demonstrate.<br>
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> 1) How does one represent a named street which is really a greenbelt: never been drivable, was assigned a name just to allow attaching a street name to the houses on either side.<br>
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> Example: In Irvine California there’s a residential area shown here:<br>
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> <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7298257,-117.7572128,19z" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7298257,-117.7572128,19z</a> <<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7298257,-117.7572128,19z" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7298257,-117.7572128,19z</a>><br>
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> I’m referring to Paisley Place, which is shown as a named alley connecting Garden Gate Lane and Winslow Lane.<br>
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> After surveying the area and seeing that the City of Irvine GIS showed Paisley as that greenbelt, I reported it as an error (as I’ve done dozens of times for other things), but the very helpful GIS manager reported that this is correct (but certainly odd), and the two street-like things on either side of it are just unnamed alleys.<br>
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> How do I represent this in OSM? It’s not a street that doesn’t allow access, it’s not really even a street!<br>
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> 2) How do I represent a parking-lot-sized area that’s intended to collect rainwater that fills a cistern?<br>
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> In the Santa Ana Mountains in Southern California, the satellite views show something that looks exactly like a helipad:<br>
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> <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7875181,-117.5805174,419m/data=!3m1!1e3" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7875181,-117.5805174,419m/data=!3m1!1e3</a> <<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7875181,-117.5805174,419m/data=!3m1!1e3" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7875181,-117.5805174,419m/data=!3m1!1e3</a>><br>
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> But it’s not. That whole huge surface – paved in asphalt – is tilted slightly so that rainwater water will collect and fill the two cisterns to the left (zooming in you can barely see the pipe from the big pad to the cisterns.<br>
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> I cannot find anything that’s even close to describing what this is, but it’s so prominent on the maps (and interesting to visit) that I seems like it should be there even if to make note that it’s not a helipad.<br>
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> Thanks,<br>
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> Steve – who hopes the links above work.<br>
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Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 11:03:15 -0600<br>
From: Martijn van Exel <<a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a>><br>
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Subject: [Talk-us] 'Honorary' street name conflicts with posted name -<br>
how to decide<br>
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Salt Lake City just renamed a part of 900 South to ‘Harvey Milk Boulevard’. This is a so-called ‘honorary designation’. But now I see a conflict.<br>
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1) The common tagging practice is that posted names rule. The signs changed to show the new honorary name: <a href="https://goo.gl/photos/xqAxQCwCmPRUGWkm9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/photos/xqAxQCwCmPRUGWkm9</a> <<a href="https://goo.gl/photos/xqAxQCwCmPRUGWkm9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/photos/xqAxQCwCmPRUGWkm9</a>> . So that would suggest I change the name to ‘Harvey Milk Boulevard’ and demote ‘900 South’ to name_1 or loc_name.<br>
2) Addressing and geocoding. People will continue to refer to this street as 900 South. Official addresses will not change. That would suggest that I leave the name=900 South in place and add name_1=Harvey Milk Boulevard.<br>
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I went with option 2, here is a segment —> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/418190301" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/418190301</a> <<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/418190301" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/418190301</a>><br>
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Opinions?<br>
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Martijn<br>
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Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 13:12:14 -0400<br>
From: Jack Burke <<a href="mailto:burkejf3@gmail.com">burkejf3@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Martijn van Exel <<a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a>>,OSM Talk US<br>
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Subject: Re: [Talk-us] 'Honorary' street name conflicts with posted<br>
name - how to decide<br>
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I concur. You could also put Harvey as an alt_name tag.<br>
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On May 23, 2016 1:03:15 PM EDT, Martijn van Exel <<a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>Salt Lake City just renamed a part of 900 South to ‘Harvey Milk<br>
>Boulevard’. This is a so-called ‘honorary designation’. But now I see a<br>
>conflict.<br>
><br>
>1) The common tagging practice is that posted names rule. The signs<br>
>changed to show the new honorary name:<br>
><a href="https://goo.gl/photos/xqAxQCwCmPRUGWkm9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/photos/xqAxQCwCmPRUGWkm9</a><br>
><<a href="https://goo.gl/photos/xqAxQCwCmPRUGWkm9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/photos/xqAxQCwCmPRUGWkm9</a>> . So that would suggest I<br>
>change the name to ‘Harvey Milk Boulevard’ and demote ‘900 South’ to<br>
>name_1 or loc_name.<br>
>2) Addressing and geocoding. People will continue to refer to this<br>
>street as 900 South. Official addresses will not change. That would<br>
>suggest that I leave the name=900 South in place and add name_1=Harvey<br>
>Milk Boulevard.<br>
><br>
>I went with option 2, here is a segment —><br>
><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/418190301" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/418190301</a><br>
><<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/418190301" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/418190301</a>><br>
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>Opinions?<br>
><br>
>Martijn<br>
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