<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Paul Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org" target="_blank">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> In the American context, this is an edge case, big time. <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline"><br></div></blockquote><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">What is old is new again. <br><br>Officer housing at old Fort Hamilton (Brooklyn, the Narrows) were laid out with a Livable Street design before that was a name. (They had service alley or mews in the rear and grassy forecourts. The officers were expected to walk to work on-base in the 1880's - 1910's.) I am familiar with this because my favorite (maternal) uncle's favorite (maternal) uncle lived off-post/on-post in old Officers Quarters after the base perimeter had contracted but it was still Officer country (1928-1930) ... he lived on the eponymous Hamilton Way [1] which is coded highway=footway [2] , which page on our wiki suggests highway=pedestrian [3] if wider, and cross-references [4] Path Controversy. <br>(Per OSM, the house still stands.) <br></div><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">
I would lean towards livable_street, since there's no separate
sidewalk, no reasonable expectation you're going to go more than
cycleway speed, and the main entries to buildings are on it</div></blockquote><div><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">While 'livable street'</div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">is an Urban Design term of at for the concept in some areas, I don't see it in OSM wiki or taginfo ? [5] . OSM seems to use the similar highway=living_street [6] for low speed limits, pedestrian as primary but not exclusive, which doesn't seem to be the case in the grassy-and-walk shared front yards shown by the original question on thread here (but without Mews/alley in rear). The living_street examples in OSM wiki appear to be extreme traffic calming to restore in-street playability to 1950s suburban, 1930s urban level but still tolerate commuter cars returning home and a UPS delivery through the street-ball play, which is not the feature exhibited by original post.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">[1] <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5677149">http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5677149</a> <br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">[2] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=footway?uselang=en-US">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=footway?uselang=en-US</a> <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">[3] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">[4] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Path_controversy">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Path_controversy</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">[5a] <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=livable#values">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=livable#values</a> <br>[5b] <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=livable_street#values">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=livable_street#values</a><br>[5c] <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=pedestrian#values">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=pedestrian#values</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">[6a] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=living_street">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=living_street</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">[6b] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:living_street%3Dyes">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:living_street%3Dyes</a><br></div></div><br clear="all"><br></div></div>