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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>The NB route uses Keep Tryst Rd. west from the path to connect with US 340 for about 1,500 ft. headed east and then onto the ramp to SR 67. The SB route takes the right hand ramp from the southern end of SR 67 onto US 340 for about 500 ft. and then right onto Keep Tryst Rd. and then onto the path. The route uses the towpath, not Sandy Hook Rd.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Your drawing/map is incorrect. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Kerry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Elliott Plack [mailto:elliott.plack@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 18, 2016 5:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> Kerry Irons <irons54vortex@gmail.com>; OSM Volunteer stevea <steveaOSM@softworkers.com><br><b>Cc:</b> FTA/Ethan <emann15@hotmail.com>; Wade <wade.crump@comcast.net>; Phil! Gold <phil_g@pobox.com>; talk-us@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I didn't see any of the oval USBR signs out there. I thought the routing was a little different though. The part from Keep Tryst to MD 67 would require an illegal movement to go the wrong way on what is essentially a freeway and around a freeway ramp the in the wrong direction. Is that really the route? On this photo, the blue arrows show what I interpreted the route to be. There are some bike signs on the part of Jefferson Pike between the Potomac River, including ones directing to and from MD 67.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img width=972 height=698 style='width:10.125in;height:7.275in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D1C98F.F3EEB9F0" alt=pasted1><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What's the text description of the route?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM Kerry Irons <<a href="mailto:irons54vortex@gmail.com" target="_blank">irons54vortex@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Recognize that the small sign is not a USBR sign. In your first link I could find no bike route sign unless it is that sign way off in the distance that I can’t make out.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Kerry Irons</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Elliott Plack [mailto:<a href="mailto:elliott.plack@gmail.com" target="_blank">elliott.plack@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 18, 2016 3:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> Kerry Irons <<a href="mailto:irons54vortex@gmail.com" target="_blank">irons54vortex@gmail.com</a>>; OSM Volunteer stevea <<a href="mailto:steveaOSM@softworkers.com" target="_blank">steveaOSM@softworkers.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> FTA/Ethan <<a href="mailto:emann15@hotmail.com" target="_blank">emann15@hotmail.com</a>>; Wade <<a href="mailto:wade.crump@comcast.net" target="_blank">wade.crump@comcast.net</a>>; Phil! Gold <<a href="mailto:phil_g@pobox.com" target="_blank">phil_g@pobox.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I've been out there a few times taking Mapillary photos along the route so you can see some of the bike signage. <a href="http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3Aq9dVh3Av7K_di9KKUudQ/photo" target="_blank">http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3Aq9dVh3Av7K_di9KKUudQ/photo</a> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This tiny one is my favorite. It's so small compared to the massive BGS: <a href="http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/8I80lkxdGCOgfsOCKDyYSg/photo" target="_blank">http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/8I80lkxdGCOgfsOCKDyYSg/photo</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:58 AM Kerry Irons <<a href="mailto:irons54vortex@gmail.com" target="_blank">irons54vortex@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Just to echo Steve’s comment on signs: encouraged but not required. Currently just under 18% of the USBRS is signed. Budget is the issue, both at the state and local (non state highway) level</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Kerry</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_5057591952169736140_m_-508669834944225"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> </span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> OSM Volunteer stevea [mailto:<a href="mailto:steveaOSM@softworkers.com" target="_blank">steveaOSM@softworkers.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 1, 2016 8:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> Elliott Plack <<a href="mailto:elliott.plack@gmail.com" target="_blank">elliott.plack@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Kerry Irons <<a href="mailto:irons54vortex@gmail.com" target="_blank">irons54vortex@gmail.com</a>>; FTA/Ethan <<a href="mailto:emann15@hotmail.com" target="_blank">emann15@hotmail.com</a>>; Wade <<a href="mailto:wade.crump@comcast.net" target="_blank">wade.crump@comcast.net</a>>; Phil! Gold <<a href="mailto:phil_g@pobox.com" target="_blank">phil_g@pobox.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Elliott Plack <<a href="mailto:elliott.plack@gmail.com" target="_blank">elliott.plack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Update on this. I was out along the AT in the Weverton area and had a chance to observe this unique condition where cyclists are encouraged to use what is effectively a motorway for travel.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I always found my armchair mapping of this highly suspect and so I added copious tags that it still needed additional editing. >1.5 years later, Elliott submits nice, solid work after a field trip. Well, all right!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There is no sign or specific indication of USBR 11 anywhere out there that I observed. What I did see was that the eastbound carriageway of US 340 had a green sign indicating that it was a bicycle route between the Keep Tryst Rd / Valley Rd intersection, and Exit 2, which had a sign indicating the bicycles must exit. The "Bike Route" signs did not have a number reference. There is a Bike Route sign on the exit to MD 67 as well, which is the part that is USBR 11.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kerry might remind everybody that signage is optional (I would say “encouraged” but I don’t think that is official) on the USBRS. The route exists by state DOT declaration and “acceptance” into the national (non) network (called USBRS) by AASHTO. Signs cost money and effort to erect: sometimes there is budget to do so and the state DOT finds a way to erect signs, sometimes signage is a more grass-roots effort (fundraising, sign-raising…) than it is state (DOT) sanctioned or funded. A Bike Route sign is a legal, MUTCD-acceptable way to sign here but I think we all agree the M1-9 sign (USBR 11) would be preferred.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For the sections of US 340 where cyclists are allowed, I added the cycleway:right=shoulder tag. I also fixed any FIXMEs related to this condition.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thank you, thank you.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Curiously, the eastbound carriageway is tagged as trunk, while the westbound is tagged motorway. While there is a single grade intersection along the eastbound portion (at Keep Tryst Rd), I think that this is probably not enough to call the entire section trunk. Thoughts on that?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You did the field trip! The whole area around Keep Tryst Road and how it interfaces with AT and bicycles is complicated, and now seems much better tagged.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Finally, I also improved the routing of USBR 11 where it crosses the Potomac River on a shared-use rail bridge. There is a staircase to access the bridge that I added the steps tag too. I am not sure how bicycling routers, like OSRM or Strava will handle steps, but cyclists are allowed there provided they dismount (per signage).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There is also a lcm (local cycleway network) around here with a staircase, it is near the Santa Cruz Boardwalk at the mouth of the San Lorenzo River. These things can get complicated, but I believe with the proper tagging of bicycle=dismount (to walk up or down stairs carrying your bicycle) that a router should be able to figure that out. Especially if is part of a lcn/rcn/ncn. Still, I wouldn’t mind a bicycle router showing “special” semiotics here (yellow or hatching or something like that).<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have mapped my observations with this changeset: <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39027403" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39027403</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Deeply appreciated. This tagging and routing were a little sticky here, and now are much better.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>SteveA<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>California<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>USBRS WikiProject coordinator<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Elliott Plack<br><a href="http://elliottplack.me" target="_blank">http://elliottplack.me</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Elliott Plack<br><a href="http://elliottplack.me">http://elliottplack.me</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>