<div dir="ltr">I also thought that it would contradict the other tags.  But, the wiki page <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated</a> seems to pretty much say we're both wrong on that score:<div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">"The value </span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-family:monospace,courier;font-size:16.1px;color:rgb(37,37,37);background-color:rgb(238,238,255);white-space:nowrap"><strong class="gmail-selflink">designated</strong></tt><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> is not meant to imply that OpenStreetMap </span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-family:monospace,courier;font-size:16.1px;color:rgb(37,37,37);background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(238,238,255);white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access" title="Key:access" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">access</a>=*</tt><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> permissions have been automatically 'designated' </span><b style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">only</b><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> to that transport mode! If an element is meant </span><b style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">only</b><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> to be used by specific designated transport methods (overriding whatever defaults may exist for that way), use </span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-family:monospace,courier;font-size:16.1px;color:rgb(37,37,37);background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(238,238,255);white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access" title="Key:access" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">access</a>=<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dno" title="Tag:access=no" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">no</a></tt><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> in addition of the </span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-family:monospace,courier;font-size:16.1px;color:rgb(37,37,37);background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(238,238,255);white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:*" title="Key:*" class="gmail-mw-redirect" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">*</a>=designated</tt><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> value."</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">I say "seems to," which is why I wanted to ask for clarification.  With respect to the HOV lanes, it matters greatly, because there are certain interstate exits that are HOV-only which a router shouldn't choose those to get somewhere if you're not carrying multiple passengers in your car (which is pretty much the default in the U.S.).</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">--jack</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Elliott Plack <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elliott.plack@gmail.com" target="_blank">elliott.plack@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Jack,<div><br></div><div>Good question. I am curious about the answer as well, specifically regarding bicycle lanes, which can be added using this method.</div><div><br></div><div>Setting a right side bike lane to ...yes|designated doesn't preclude other vehicles from accessing the right lane, as you said.</div><div><br></div><div>I thought about adding |no for regular access, but wouldn't that general access contradict the other tags?</div><div><br></div><div>The Mapbox data team has been doing lots of turn lane tagging around the US [1], so perhaps a member of the team there can provide insight on this.</div><div><br></div><div>Elliott</div><div><br></div><div>[1] = <a href="https://www.mapbox.com/blog/la-turn-lanes-map/" target="_blank">https://www.mapbox.com/blog/<wbr>la-turn-lanes-map/</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 6:01 PM Jack Burke <<a href="mailto:burkejf3@gmail.com" target="_blank">burkejf3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">Something about some HOV access tags I've seen have been bothering me.</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">Some of the interstates through Atlanta have designated HOV-only lanes.  In looking at the attributes on them, someone has added hov:lanes=designated|yes|yes|<wbr>yes|yes {etc.} to them.</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">However, after reviewing the wiki for the "designated" tag, it doesn't appear to _exclude_ other modes of transport--just using the hov:lanes=designated tag on the leftmost lane still implies that non-HOV transportation is allowed.  For example, motorcycles are allowed, but single-passenger cars are not, but the current tagging doesn't appear to prohibit single-passenger cars, if I'm reading the wiki right.</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">Reading up on the access tag leads me to think that it would be better to include access:lanes=no|yes|yes|yes|<wbr>yes {etc.} to preclude non-HOV traffic, as well as add motorcycle:lanes=yes|yes|yes|<wbr>yes|yes {etc.}</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">For example, the section of northbound I-75/I-85 under this marker</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><a href="http://osm.org/go/ZQqq80Lkl-?layers=N&m=" class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://osm.org/go/ZQqq80Lkl-?<wbr>layers=N&m=</a> </div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">currently has the tag</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">hov:lanes=designated|yes|yes|<wbr>yes|yes|yes|yes</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">Am I correct in thinking that it would be right to add these tags, too:</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">access:lanes=no|yes|yes|yes|<wbr>yes|yes|yes</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">motorcycle:lanes=yes|yes|yes|<wbr>yes|yes|yes|yes</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">Thanks for any feedback!</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg">--jack</div><div class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"><br class="m_5914007068234040771gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div>
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