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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1">The ODbL is
very clear on what "Publicly" is:</font></p>
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means to Persons other than You or under Your control by</span><br
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the power to direct their</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51,
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important; float: none;">activities (such as contracting with
an independent consultant).</span></font></p>
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display: inline ! important; float: none;">No need to speculate
on that point.<br>
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On the other hand, if they were using OSM data to trigger to
spawning in a specific locations it would still be rather open
if that is actually a use that is substantial. Up to now I
haven't seen any evidence that couldn't be explained in numerous
other ways that they are really using OSM data.<br>
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Simon <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.12.2016 um 22:08 schrieb Bill
Ricker:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 3:43 PM,
Clifford Snow <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>></span>
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</span>Can you help me understand what part of the ODbL
[1] they are violating? As far I can tell, they don't
modify the data nor do they display OSM tiles or make any
of the data available</blockquote>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">(It
was not my assertion, I was hypothetically answering a HOW
question.)<br>
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OTOH & IANAL....<br>
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Hypothetically speaking,<br>
Not making available tiles or data extracts based on OSM
data relieves a hypothetical potential infringer from
having to make data available (Share Alike & Keep Open
clauses).<br>
Any published use* requires Attribution.<br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">*
(Which i interpret as non-intramural use, not contained
within a household or corporate entity, although that is the
sort of think lawyers could argue. It's safest to attribute
even intramural use cases, but not required by license.)<br>
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If indeed they are reaping OSM nodes and ways to populate
PoGo rookeries [an unproven assertion], that would make the
whole game a "use ... or work[s] produced from the database"
and if PoGo doesn't count as "public", I don't know what
is. (The players are not employees, contractors, or family
members of Niantic Labs.)<br>
<br>
Hiding the _use_ of OSM data doesn't make the derived work
private; only hiding the derived work (game, web map,
whatever) does; and i doubt having to register to play the
game would be accepted as making all Niantic properties
"private" not "public". <br>
(IANAL but I would wonder if hiding the use could be
construed as willful and malicious infringement.)<br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">(If
Niantic claims any copyright in their work, it is by
definition of "copyright" a "published" work. In theory
Trade Secret, Patent, and Copyright are incompatible IP
protections. Only TradeMark plays nicely with others.)<br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">#IANAL
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<div dir="ltr">Bill Ricker<br>
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