<html><head></head><body>There may be attribution in the ToS, Privacy Policy, or other release notes. I don't play, so can't check. And if they are using OSM data, I don't think there's any point in raising a stink about it. If it can be 100% verified that they are using OSM data, write to them an ask for attribution to be included in release notes if it's not already. It's probably in everyone's best interest to do just that. And if not, F it. Community. Mutual aid. Whatever.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On December 30, 2016 3:29:54 PM CST, talk-us-request@openstreetmap.org wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">Send Talk-us mailing list submissions to<br /> talk-us@openstreetmap.org<br /><br />To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><br />or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br /> talk-us-request@openstreetmap.org<br /><br />You can reach the person managing the list at<br /> talk-us-owner@openstreetmap.org<br /><br />When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br />than "Re: Contents of Talk-us digest..."<br /><br /><br />Today's Topics:<br /><br /> 1. Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users (Rihards)<br /> 2. highway=trunk for NHS routes? (Albert Pundt)<br /> 3. Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users (Clifford Snow)<br /> 4. Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users (Bill Ricker)<br /> 5. Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users (Simon Poole)<br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 1<br />Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 21:31:56 +0200<br />From: Rihards <richlv@nakts.net><br />To: Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux@gmail.com>, Paul Johnson<br /> <baloo@ursamundi.org><br />Cc: Jack Burke <burkejf3@gmail.com>, OpenStreetMap talk-us list<br /> <talk-us@openstreetmap.org><br />Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users<br />Message-ID: <26f201de-793a-08a1-8ccc-201659b1e5d2@nakts.net><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br /><br />On 2016.12.30. 21:19, Bill Ricker wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br /> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org<br /> <mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org>> wrote:<br /> <br /> I wonder how we would politely license-check Niantic... <br /> <br /> <br /> Traditional map copyright violation proof would be adding a Trap Close<br /> ... do the have a map that shows name of feature that spawns critters?<br /> Adding a nonsense footpath to no-where (shaped like a P ? ) in a<br /> non-existent park and checking if it shows up in the PoGo in a few days<br /> would do.<br /></blockquote><br />the reports on this seem to indicate that they do not use anything close<br />to realtime data - more like a year or more old, according to some<br />anecdotal evidence.<br /><br />also, this is not about the visible map data (that still seems to be the<br />assumption here and there). map data is clearly from google maps.<br />what the pokemon go community is suggesting - that some of the osm data<br />is used to make pokemon spawn there more often - or to make specific<br />types appear. that's vague enough to require a pretty large dataset to<br />prove to a reasonable degree.<br /><br />besides the potential lack of attribution, we should concentrate on<br />attracting pokemon go players as mappers and advertise this potential<br />connection as a reason to improve the map. even if there turns out to be<br />no connection, we are better off publicity wise already.<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> -- <br /> Bill Ricker<br /> bill.n1vux@gmail.com <mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com><br /> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux">https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux</a> <br /></blockquote>-- <br /> Rihards<br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 2<br />Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 19:41:30 +0000 (UTC)<br />From: Albert Pundt <roadsguy99@yahoo.com><br />To: OpenStreetMap Talk-us List <talk-us@openstreetmap.org><br />Subject: [Talk-us] highway=trunk for NHS routes?<br />Message-ID: <1540595880.4318832.1483126890492@mail.yahoo.com><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /><br />As a general rule, should highway=trunk be used for routes on the National Highway System? Considering that those routes are generally more backbone routes, more important than a lot of primary routes, it makes sense that they should be tagged with trunk.<br />--Roadsguy<br />-------------- next part --------------<br />An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br />URL: <<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20161230/7d246cf8/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20161230/7d246cf8/attachment-0001.html</a>><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 3<br />Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 12:43:31 -0800<br />From: Clifford Snow <clifford@snowandsnow.us><br />To: Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux@gmail.com><br />Cc: Jack Burke <burkejf3@gmail.com>, Paul Johnson<br /> <baloo@ursamundi.org>, OpenStreetMap talk-us list<br /> <talk-us@openstreetmap.org><br />Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users<br />Message-ID:<br /> <CADAoPLpmuh88rXbQed0xdrDte3QuujRKArKtdfpz1A6adzbCJg@mail.gmail.com><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /><br />On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux@gmail.com> wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /> Traditional map copyright violation proof would be adding a Trap Close<br /> ... do the have a map that shows name of feature that spawns critters?<br /> Adding a nonsense footpath to no-where (shaped like a P ? ) in a<br /> non-existent park and checking if it shows up in the PoGo in a few days<br /> would do.</blockquote><br /><br />Can you help me understand what part of the ODbL [1] they are violating? As<br />far I can tell, they don't modify the data nor do they display OSM tiles or<br />make any of the data available. In fact Niantic makes every effort to keep<br />the use of OSM private. It's only through the sleuth work of their users<br />that we are aware its use.<br /><br />[1] <a href="http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary">http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary</a>/<br /><br />Best,<br />Clifford</pre></blockquote></div><br>
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