<html><head></head><body>On 10/03/17 14:27, Joshua Houston wrote:<br>
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Hi,<br>
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It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be<br>
phased out from OpenStreetMap language. The philosophy of OpenStreetMap<br>
is very inclusive and that should be represented even in the way data is<br>
tagged. I'd like to propose to change the key from "man_made" to<br>
"human_made" and start a discussion on it. Many parts of society are<br>
trying to implement a more inclusive language, NASA for instance has<br>
changed "manned missions" to "crewed missions". I think it is an<br>
important goal to make OSM inclusive whenever there is a choice.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Joshua Houston<br>
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"Artificial" is a better word anyway. One word, so we can get rid of that underscore. It's synonymous with "man-made", gender-neutral, and less Victorian sounding.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On March 12, 2017 7:00:08 AM CDT, talk-us-request@openstreetmap.org wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">Send Talk-us mailing list submissions to<br /> talk-us@openstreetmap.org<br /><br />To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><br />or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br /> talk-us-request@openstreetmap.org<br /><br />You can reach the person managing the list at<br /> talk-us-owner@openstreetmap.org<br /><br />When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br />than "Re: Contents of Talk-us digest..."<br /><br /><br />Today's Topics:<br /><br /> 1. Re: Key:man_made... Outdated language? (Richard Fairhurst)<br /> 2. How to apply changesets (David Niklas)<br /> 3. Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2017-03-08 (Dave Hansen)<br /> 4. Re: Key:man_made... Outdated language? (Russ Nelson)<br /> 5. Re: How to apply changesets (Frederik Ramm)<br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 1<br />Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 05:23:39 -0700 (MST)<br />From: Richard Fairhurst <richard@systemed.net><br />To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org<br />Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?<br />Message-ID: <<a href="http://1489235019197-5892877.post">1489235019197-5892877.post</a>@n8.nabble.com><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br /><br />Joshua Houston wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be <br /> phased out from OpenStreetMap language.<br /></blockquote><br />FWIW, the lingua franca of OSM tagging is British English: so, colour rather<br />than color, and so on.<br /><br />British English does of course have different cultural assumptions to<br />American English. As an example in the opposite direction, I remain<br />genuinely astonished that there is a US movement called "GeoLadies". Here in<br />Britain, if you described any woman under 80 as a "lady", you would probably<br />be expecting a slap; it's generally a patronising and slightly pejorative<br />word with connotations of passivity and indolence, and outside of those<br />parts of London influenced by the US, I don't see that it's been reclaimed.<br /><br />That isn't to say that GeoLadies is objectively wrong: it isn't wrong in the<br />slightest. Just that, inevitably, some cultural references fall differently<br />in different parts of the world.<br /><br />man_made is possibly not too different. I can see how it might sound jarring<br />to US ears but it's not something at which anyone would bat an eyelid in<br />Britain. (And of course, going to the country where OSM has historically<br />been strongest, "man" is a neutral pronoun in German.) Nothing is going to<br />be entirely consistent across all the cultures in which OSM is used.<br /><br />Of course, there is a great irony in that this thread has been populated by<br />people called Joshua, Joel, Ian, Brian, Harald, Mike, Frederik, Blake,<br />Clifford, Kevin, and Richard, so maybe we should shut the heck up and let<br />some women have their say.<br /><br />cheers<br />Richard<br /><br /><br /><br />--<br />View this message in context: <a href="http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Key-man-made-Outdated-language-tp5892860p5892877.html">http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Key-man-made-Outdated-language-tp5892860p5892877.html</a><br />Sent from the USA mailing list archive at <a href="http://Nabble.com">Nabble.com</a>.<br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 2<br />Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:48:46 -0500<br />From: David Niklas <doark@mail.com><br />To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org<br />Subject: [Talk-us] How to apply changesets<br />Message-ID: <20170311094846.5153f42e@ulgy_thing><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<br /><br />Hello,<br />I do know what the command line using omosis looks like (and I have<br />osmosis).<br />What I don't know is this.<br /><br />1: Do I need every changes set or just the latest of the year?<br />2: If I need multiple changesets, can I apply them all at once using<br />multiple --read-xml-change directives?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />David<br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 3<br />Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:16:00 +0000<br />From: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net><br />To: <dave@sr71.net>,<talk-us@openstreetmap.org><br />Subject: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2017-03-08<br />Message-ID: <E1cmpIu-0001Va-Qv@errol.openstreetmap.org><br /><br />These are based off of Lambertus's work here:<br /><br /> <a href="http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl">http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl</a><br /><br />If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel<br />free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The<br />odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by<br />asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.<br /><br />Downloads:<br /><br /> <a href="http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-03-08">http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-03-08</a><br /><br />Map to visualize what each file contains:<br /><br /> <a href="http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-03-08/kml/kml.html">http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-03-08/kml/kml.html</a><br />----<br /><br />FAQ<br /><br />----<br /><br />Why did you do this?<br /><br /> I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact<br /> of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also<br /> cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently<br /> on removable media. <br /><br /> <a href="http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-03-08">http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-03-08</a><br /><br />Can or should I seed the torrents?<br /><br /> Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web<br /> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this<br /> side of the Atlantic.<br /><br />Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?<br /><br /> There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the<br /> red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may<br /> want to update if you had issues with the last set.<br /><br />Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?<br /><br /> If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from<br /> the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB<br /> file.<br /><br />Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?<br /><br /> Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario<br /> in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close<br /> to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.<br /> This might not happen forever, and if you would like your<br /> non-US area to get included, let me know. <br /><br />-- Dave<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 4<br />Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:14:18 -0500<br />From: Russ Nelson <nelson@crynwr.com><br />To: Richard Fairhurst <richard@systemed.net><br />Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org<br />Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?<br />Message-ID: <22724.33994.34323.797854@desk.crynwr.com><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br /><br />Richard Fairhurst writes:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Joshua Houston wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be <br /> phased out from OpenStreetMap language.<br /></blockquote> <br /> FWIW, the lingua franca of OSM tagging is British English: so, colour rather<br /> than color, and so on.<br /> <br /> man_made is possibly not too different. I can see how it might sound jarring<br /> to US ears<br /></blockquote><br />Some of us remember that women are humans, too.<br /></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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