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line-height:19px; margin:0 0 4px 0;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;word-break:break-word;">The Legacies of Redlining in Pittsburgh</h2> <div class="card-description" style="font-size:11px;line-height:15px;color:#999;word-break:break-word;">Devin Rutan reveals how Pittsburgh's current geography is still defined by historic housing discrimination. ...</div> </td> <td style="text-align:right;padding:16px 12px 16px 0;"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Peter Dobratz <peter@dobratz.us><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Albert Pundt <roadsguy99@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "talk-us@openstreetmap.org" <talk-us@openstreetmap.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 27 July 2017, 18:29<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Talk-us] Pittsburgh neighborhood boundaries mapped with admin level 9?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv8575800346"><div><div dir="ltr">(Appologies as I was in the middle of writing my reply when inadvertantly hitting send. Here's the whole message)<div><br clear="none"></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Boundaries below admin_level=8 are still being discussed. There was some discussion on this list as well as the OSM wiki</span><div style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:12.8px;"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_admin_level#Nine_state_improvement" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">https://wiki.openstreetmap. org/wiki/Talk:United_States_ admin_level#Nine_state_ improvement</a><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:12.8px;">Having lived in Pittsburgh, I remember that the neighborhood boundaries are well defined and many of the street signs have the neighborhood names printed across the top of them (epecially on more major roads with bigger signs).</div><div style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:12.8px;">If you were to divide up Pittsburgh into smaller administrative units, how would you do it?</div><div style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:12.8px;">Pittsburgh resides within Allegheny County. Allegheny County is divided into Wards and districts, some of which could be used to divide up Pittsburgh:</div></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><a href="http://apps.alleghenycounty.us/website/MuniPgh.asp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://apps.alleghenycounty.us/website/MuniPgh.asp</a></span><br clear="none"></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Pittsburgh city council is made up of 9 people who each represent a council district of the city. It looks like each council district covers a group of neighborhoods (that might lend itself to making the council districts admin_level=9 and the neighborhoods admin_level=10). For example, council district 5 contains the neighborhoods, Hazelwood, Glen Hazel, Greenfield, Hays, Lincoln Place, New Homestead, and Regeant Square</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><a href="http://pittsburghpa.gov/district5/about" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://pittsburghpa.gov/district5/about</a></span><br clear="none"></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Pittsburgh is also divided up into 32 wards, each being divided further into a variable number of districts each. These wards and districts are separate from the Allegheny County wards and districts. I'm not sure how the cities wards relate to the neighborhood boundaries.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Peter</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></span></div></div><div class="yiv8575800346yqt3389024039" id="yiv8575800346yqt65813"><div class="yiv8575800346gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv8575800346gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Peter Dobratz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peter@dobratz.us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peter@dobratz.us">peter@dobratz.us</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv8575800346gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Boundaries below admin_level=8 are still being discussed. There was some discussion on this list as well as the OSM wiki<div><br clear="none"></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_admin_level#Nine_state_improvement" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">https://wiki.openstreetmap. org/wiki/Talk:United_States_ admin_level#Nine_state_ improvement</a><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Having lived in Pittsburgh, I remember that the neighborhood boundaries are well defined and many of the street signs have the neighborhood names printed across the top of them (epecially on more major roads with bigger signs).</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>If you were to divide up Pittsburgh into smaller administrative units, how would you do it?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Pittsburgh reside within the Allegheny County</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv8575800346gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv8575800346gmail_quote"><span class="yiv8575800346">On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Albert Pundt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roadsguy99@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:roadsguy99@gmail.com">roadsguy99@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><blockquote class="yiv8575800346gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><span class="yiv8575800346"></span><div dir="ltr">I noticed that the neighborhoods in Pittsburgh are mapped as administrative boundaries with admin_level=9. Is this proper? The <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">wiki page</a> for U.S. admin levels doesn't list any use for admin level 9 in Pennsylvania, though this seems appropriate if Pittsburgh neighborhoods are true administrative divisions. It just needs to be documented, or perhaps used elsewhere in the state, like with the fairly distinct neighborhoods in Philadelphia.</div>
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