<div dir="ltr">Hi everybody,<div><br></div><div>We're going to stop this thread here (at least on the lists I moderate). Not only is it off-topic for this thread, but we're also off-topic for the mailing list. Let's remember to keep conversations positive, constructive, and on topic.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>Ian, your friendly list moderator</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Joel Holdsworth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joel@airwebreathe.org.uk" target="_blank">joel@airwebreathe.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Because the very notion that it is relevant to study OSM by gender is divisive.<br>
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Who cares what the gender balance of contributors to OSM is? I don't. I didn't even know what the split was until this thread. Because it literally doesn't matter.<br>
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Even it were 99% women, it wouldn't matter. So long as everyone has a chance to contribute if they want to.<br>
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Some people are saying about how awful it is to have a gender bias in the mapped data. If it were 99% women, I would imagine there might be better detail about the women's toilets. In that case, I would add data about the men's. No one owes me an apology, or a commitment to change their mapping habits. The solution starts with me - "Be the change you want to see."<br>
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It's simple - whatever gender, race, social group you are, come and use OSM. If some data you care about is missing, get mapping!<br>
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On 05/09/17 12:14, Charlotte Wolter wrote:<br>
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My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that<br>
you have to justify what you map, just because someone is<br>
studying it by gender?<br>
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At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote:<br>
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis <<a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" target="_blank">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female hygiene > products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map that, > without access to women's toilets ? > > The real question for me is are men more likely going to map shop=car > than shop=clothes;clothes=underwear<wbr>/fashion/ ... (sorry for the > stereotyping) > will men map leisure=playground or amenity=pub ? > will a roman catholic map a mosque ? > will a non-dog owner map leisure=dog_park ? > > in short: will we map everything we see or do we map only our > interests ? Furthermore, do we really see everything or do we only see > (and map) things we are conditioned to ? > > This is not about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are<br>
> pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs.<br>
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I know I map what I see (or more precisely, what my camera<br>
captures). If it doesn't have a sign out front, I don't map it.<br>
To take an example from the midwives vs. strip clubs debate,<br>
the phone book lists seven midwives and/or midwife groups<br>
in the Spokane area. Of those, three are attached to hospitals<br>
and one to a community-health clinic, and so wouldn't have<br>
signs. Two are operating out of private homes and don't have<br>
signs (and I wouldn't map them if they did, just like I don't map<br>
lawn care or computer repair businesses operating out of<br>
private homes).<br>
The last one is in the 95% of the city I haven't yet photo-mapped.<br>
The phone book lists zero strip clubs in the Spokane area.<br>
Despite that, I've found and mapped one strip club: it was on a<br>
major street and had a clear sign out front.<br>
Yes, there's a bias in my mapping, but it's a bias towards<br>
"things identifiable from the street." I'm more likely to map a car<br>
store than a clothes store, because car stores are generally<br>
not found inside shopping malls. Playgrounds beat pubs,<br>
because every playground is visible from the street. And this<br>
non-dog-owner didn't map the dog park, because it was<br>
already mapped by the time I got started.<br>
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