<div dir="ltr">Am absolutely delighted, motivated and encouraged (not to mention entertained) by the discussion here stimulated by the issue of gender bias in OSM. From this and the previous thread (as well as responses to my diary entries) it is evident that there is both support for and understanding of this kind of research amongst the OSM community and how it might be beneficial to OSM as a platform. For the more sceptical I have attempted in diary entries, group mails and personal responses to elucidate the rationale behind the research but wonder whether this is getting through. <div><br></div><div>This research is in no way critical of the valuable work that all OSM-ers do. Nor is it an attack on men or their particular interests (research has previously found a 96% male bias by the way). Instead, it is an effort to understand the impact of this bias: research has intimated that the bias is a problem but not stated how. By analysing what and how men and women map differently - if indeed there is a difference - the problem can somehow be qualified either way and I can't see how this would be detrimental to OSM. </div><div><br></div><div>Survey still open by the way (the greater the number of responses, the greater the reliability of the results)! </div><div><br></div><div><a class="gmail-public_url" href="https://nottingham.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles" style="font-size:15px;font-family:LatoWF,Lato,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0px;vertical-align:baseline;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(0,107,150);text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0.75px">https://nottingham.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles</a> <br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:23 AM, alyssa wright <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alyssapwright@gmail.com" target="_blank">alyssapwright@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Thank you Spencer for your thoughts! </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Speaking from my own experience, I come to OSM with many blind spots and I rely on others to help me understand what those blind spots are. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Perhaps that is one best ways academic research can contribute to OSM -- to let us see something new that we were not able to see before. </div><div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto">And thanks to Spencer for being brave enough to share your recessive eye color [1][2].</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> ;) </div><div dir="auto">Alyssa </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">[1] Did you know that green is recessive to brown but dominant over blue? Hope you weren't mapping during bio classes.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">[2] I think it's super creative that Spencer combined the "mapping blind spots" and "eye color" in the same thread! Yay! OSMers are so creative! </div><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 9:36 PM Spencer Gardner <<a href="mailto:spencergardner@gmail.com" target="_blank">spencergardner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>My thoughts are:<div><ol><li>The negative reactions to the study seem to be putting the cart before the horse. If our goal is to make OSM the most accurate and complete map on the planet, it makes sense to me that we would want to understand where our blind spots might be, whether they're due to differences in participation by gender, ideology, etc. I would expect a vigorous debate and passionate disagreement about what (if anything) to do about a blind spot if one is found, but that's not really the question at hand. Let's cross that bridge when we come to it. Of course, I'm willing to entertain arguments for why someone shouldn't pursue this line of inquiry but I don't see a compelling reason.</li><li>Thanks to the OSM community (esp. Ian, Alyssa, and the rest of the board) for encouraging open, respectful conversation. I find my own feelings on topics like this to be more complicated than either of the screaming sides so I believe it's critical to ensure many voices are heard, even from those whose perspective we find difficult.</li></ol><div>Regards,</div><div>Spencer</div><div>(green eyes)</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:47 PM, alyssa wright <span><<a href="mailto:alyssapwright@gmail.com" target="_blank">alyssapwright@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Re your question about 👁🌍<div><br></div><div>If you are doing an academic study on eye color and OSM/VGI contribution -- I'd be happy to moderate a townhall as well. </div><div><br></div><div>For what it's worth, I have blue eyes (and glasses).</div><span class="m_1207936630824977720m_-5504244209325007664HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div> <div>Alyssa. <br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div><div class="m_1207936630824977720m_-5504244209325007664HOEnZb"><div class="m_1207936630824977720m_-5504244209325007664h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Joel Holdsworth <span><<a href="mailto:joel@airwebreathe.org.uk" target="_blank">joel@airwebreathe.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Could we have one eye colour, also? ;-)<div><div class="m_1207936630824977720m_-5504244209325007664m_-7131055980674105958h5"><br>
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Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind that we all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive conversation.<br>
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I reserve the right to add a moderated cooling off period if we get too hostile towards each other again.<br>
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