<div dir="ltr"><div>All,</div><div><br></div>I messaged pflier last night and today we have been having a fruitful and positive discussion. As soon as he gets access to the list he will comment.<div><div><br></div><div>-3vivekb<br><div><br></div><div> <br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:27 AM Saikrishna Arcot <<a href="mailto:saiarcot895@gmail.com">saiarcot895@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi,<br>
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I've seen the new stoplines in San Jose as well, and the reason
they're not useful as-is IMO is because they're not connected to the
main road that has the stop line; it's just a floating disconnected
way. If they were connected to the road, then it would be more
useful to data users, but in their current state, for it to be of
use, data users would have to do some additional processing on their
end to find out what way it intersects to see where it applies.</div><div><br>
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<div class="m_5035972123883213060moz-cite-prefix">On 09/19/2017 08:00 AM, Greg Morgan
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 6:39 PM,
Vivek Bansal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:3vivekb@gmail.com" target="_blank">3vivekb@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hey, I noticed pfliers has added lots of
unconnected ways w/ `highway=stopline` all over San
Jose. It’s really been cluttering up our workflows in
iD, and now it’s triggering JOSM’s validator as we’re
adding sidewalks. Can we remove them in one big
mechanical edit? Even if the concept is good, they’d
have to be remapped in order to be useful anyways. Maybe
they should be a node along the centerline. Or instead
they should be a road_marking.
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<div>This also affects Phoenix, Arizona.<br>
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<div>Here is a link to pfliers history:</div>
<div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pflier/history#map=6/38.882/-117.411" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pflier/history#map=6/38.882/-117.411</a><br>
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<div>Here is pfliers proposal:</div>
<div><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/stop_line" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/stop_line</a><br>
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<div>I noticed the new tagging in Phoenix. I sent the Keep
Right maintainer a request that excludes highway=stopline
from "intersections without junctions" checking. I do not
believe the sky is falling. I don't see how these
stoplines would have to be remapped. When we look at the
data, all the Phoenix stoplines are mapped by traffic
lights. I am not sure how stoplines would impact your
workflow. Ignore the Josm validation recommendations for
these stoplines. I haven't put a request into Josm
maintainers but it is certainly something that you can do.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">The proposal has something to do with
autonomous cars. The stoplines may just be perfect for the
Phoenix area.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><a href="http://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/06/23/arizona-getting-ahead-autonomous-vehicle-industry-stepping-aside-waymo-uber-intel-chevy-bolt/405436001/" target="_blank">http://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/06/23/arizona-getting-ahead-autonomous-vehicle-industry-stepping-aside-waymo-uber-intel-chevy-bolt/405436001/</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><a href="https://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=15&lat=33.51322&lon=-112.06043&layers=B0T&ch=0%2C130%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198&show_ign=0&show_tmpign=0" target="_blank">https://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=15&lat=33.51322&lon=-112.06043&layers=B0T&ch=0%2C130%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198&show_ign=0&show_tmpign=0</a><br>
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