<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Ilya Zverev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ilya@zverev.info" target="_blank">ilya@zverev.info</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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As some of you know, Brandify company wants to import all the Walmart locations in the US into OpenStreetMap. <div style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline" class="gmail_default"></div>They have full permission to do that. See the message from their VP Product, Damian, for more detailed explanation:<br>
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<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2017-December/005279.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.or<wbr>g/pipermail/imports/2017-Decem<wbr>ber/005279.html</a><br>
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After a brief discussion on the imports@ list, they made a few proposed changes, and I re-uploaded the result to my imports validation website.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Improved quality of the data is great, but compatibility is the first requirement.</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">When I look at the linked message, "They have full permission" means Walmart gives them permission to share any rights they have in their list of locations; the linked message did not affirmatively assert on behalf of both Brandify and Walmart that OSM terms both accepted and compliance pledged.<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div>Were the follow-up questions on the Imports list regarding the following ever satisfactorily settled?</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">* Contributor Agreement by Brandify? and Walmart?</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline" class="gmail_default">* ODbL by Brandify? and Walmart?<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline" class="gmail_default">* provenance of the Latitude-Longitudes to demonstrate ODbL compatibility</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline" class="gmail_default"><br clear="all"></div></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">I see none of those 5 points answered in the thread linked above. </div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">I see only that Brandify claims to have authorization from Walmart to share list of their locations to as many maps as possible.<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br>The statements by Brandify VP made leave<br>* unclear if Walmart's grant includes acceptance of our ODbL license and thus passing downstream to others under ODbL,<br>* and unclear if they have warrantied that the posit data is cleanly sourced so they indeed have the right to grant use of the Lat-Lons thereunder.</div><br><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Q. Do either Brandify or Walmart understand or care that how they geocoded the addresses would determine if the import was compatible with the ODbL? <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">I have not seen anything on thread suggesting they know or care. <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Has geocoding provenance been answered where i didn't see it? <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Until we see that, the answer must be at best "not yet".</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Q. Do we
have a prior ruling from OSM Legal on what proof of agency or power of
attorney to act on behalf of the client we need to accept data via 3rd
party, in this case an SEO PR firm ? <br><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div>In
one sense, I'm inclined to think we could assume good faith on agency
as we could revert the import in the unlikely case Walmart later denied
Brandify was their agent, but IANAL, I'm also suspecting Legal team might have
different ideas. I seriously doubt Brandify has power of attorney to
accept a binding legal license on behalf of their client. Walmart
likely doesn't care about our license now, but might be startled if e.g. a
community activist
used data under the ODbL to e.g. fight a building permit somewhere. </div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">// Bill </div><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Bill Ricker<br><a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a><div><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux</a> <br></div></div></div>
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