<div dir="ltr">It's worth noting that at least one business out there (locu) has a nasty habit of scraping menu data and then trying to sign restaurants up for a search-engine visibility package in order to be able to update it (they'll also remove it without a fee, if you ask in the right way, but there are hoops to be jumped through).</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Clifford Snow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">When I'm out taking pictures for later entry into OSM, I bring a bunch of business cards to hand out. The card has my name, phone number, email and the OSM website. I do this because I'm hoping to get interested businesses to add more data to OSM. But giving the staff a card might also lessen their concerns. And it does help spread the word about OSM.<div><br></div><div>Clifford<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 9:39 AM Jmapb <<a href="mailto:jmapb@gmx.com" target="_blank">jmapb@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi USA, just wanted to bring up an issue that I've run into recently <br>
while mapping businesses in NYC.<br>
<br>
Whenever I'm walking through the city, I tend to whip out the phone and <br>
check for anything missing, incorrect, or incomplete. Often this means <br>
pausing in front of a restaurant and keying in contact info or opening <br>
hours. Sometimes I also take pictures with the intention of adding tags <br>
later.<br>
<br>
There have always been a few who treat this sort of thing with suspicion <br>
-- especially taking pictures. But a couple times lately I've met with <br>
outright hostility from restaurant staff when taking down their data. <br>
One owner complained he was sick of "people from websites posting his <br>
information." Turns out the culprits were food delivery services, who <br>
had been offering delivery from his place without authorization. I plead <br>
my innocence, but this guy was in no mood to appreciate the differences <br>
between a crowdsourced map project and a move-fast-and-break-things <br>
delivery startup.<br>
<br>
I discussed this with a friend of mine who owns a restaurant, and he <br>
recounted a similar story -- an angry customer calling the restaurant to <br>
complain about a late delivery. This restaurant doesn't do delivery, and <br>
has never partnered with any third parties for delivery. But a food <br>
delivery startup (I'm not naming names... actually I can't even keep <br>
them straight) apparently scouted their location, imported the menu <br>
(which changes often and is not posted on the web), and listed the <br>
restaurant as a delivery client -- all without even informing the <br>
restaurant, much less attempting to make any sort of agreement. They <br>
wouldn't even take down the listing when confronted -- figured they <br>
could just bully their way into a business relationship. And they were <br>
listing dishes that weren't even on the menu anymore! Though they took <br>
them all down quickly when the restaurant's lawyer called.<br>
<br>
Don't know how common these sort of predatory tactics are outside NYC, <br>
but fair warning, there may be businesses out there who are no longer <br>
delighted at the thought of someone "from the internet" taking notice of <br>
their publicly-posted information.<br>
<br>
Happy mapping, Jason<br>
<br>
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