<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Agree with that, Evin. Unfortunately I think there are still quite a few countries where route relations are not as widely used / accepted (I remember the UK bring among them? Perhaps someone can do an overpass query to visualize) so unless we get everyone on board with them we're likely stuck with redundancy. <div><br></div><div>Martijn<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 24, 2018, at 12:02, Evin Fairchild <<a href="mailto:evindfair@gmail.com">evindfair@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto">The only way you can get people to stop putting reg tags on ways and only put them on relations is if the renderer actually rendered reg tags from relations. Currently it doesn't do this, so it's impractical for people to do what you're suggesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, don't tag for the renderer, but I'd you don't have route numbers show up at all, them this really reduces the usability of the map. It's such an important thing that there's no way you can get people to stop putting the reg tags on ways unless the renderer rendered the ref tags for the whole relation.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Evin (compdude)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 9:56 AM Paul Johnson <<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>The ref=* tag on ways is already 100% redundant if the way is already a part of the appropriate route relations and should be phased out so ref can be used to actually describe the way's ref, where applicable.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, can we kill this dinosaur entirely already? Route relations have been a widely accepted thing for a decade now, if you're not using route relations for your primary source of route information (instead of expecting tags on some other non route object to tell you), then you're doing it wrong and you don't matter.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 07:38 Mihai Iepure <<a href="mailto:mihai.iepure@telenav.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mihai.iepure@telenav.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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