<div dir="ltr"><div>I'm not saying that the surface junction itself would still be motorway (or even the area of reduced speed approaching it), but once one is far enough beyond those limiting features and the speeds and other aspects are the same as the rest of the motorway, the roadway is functionally a motorway. I think the issue is that you take the word "include" to mean any segment possibly touching a surface junction, at any distance from that junction. It seems that most of the rest of us feel that there is some distance (e.g. over the horizon, miles away, before a speed reduction, etc) where junction is far enough off that it is separate from the character of the roadway one is on. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I've never been to OK and don't know your roadway in question well enough to weigh in on that specific case, but I would oppose a rule that said that motorways can never continue to the position where the road character changes (e.g. signage, speed reduction) leading to a final surface intersection.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 5:03 PM Paul Johnson <<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The commonly accepted definition of freeways in the US excludes surface junctions, whereas expressways (trunks) does include intersections. I honestly am surprised a group of roadgeeks isn't more attuned to this distinction.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 3:15 PM Adam Franco <<a href="mailto:adamfranco@gmail.com" target="_blank">adamfranco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 1:36 AM Paul Johnson <<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org" target="_blank">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:30 AM Bryan Housel <<a href="mailto:bhousel@gmail.com" target="_blank">bhousel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div>I do understand your point, but a dozen or so people on talk-us and the six or so people on that changeset 64919426 </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, 1 person, an AA roads troll and like 5 sockpuppets. There's also a number of people in this thread that do agree with me.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div>discussion all disagree with you. Is there nothing that would make you reconsider? </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Get the commonly used definition of a freeway changed to include intersections. Good luck!</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Since you are asking for more declaration of support/opposition, I'm a relatively disinterested-in-motorways mapper that has been following along with this thread. Paul, I think your read of a motorway definition is overly rigid and I agree with Richie, Bryan, and the others that a motorway classification may continue beyond the last interchange. <br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">If one is traveling past the last interchange one may be traveling in a "motorway zone" where high speeds, grade separation of crossing roads, dual carriageway, etc all continue to exist. As Richie pointed out, there will be some place where "caution freeway ends", "intersection ahead" or slowing speed limit signage indicates a transition out of the motorway zone to something else. That seems like a vastly more appropriate place to change the tagging from motorway to trunk/primary. Choosing the point of the last interchange doesn't make sense as there may be many miles on both sides of the last interchange where the roadway is functionally the same -- where standing and looking at the road it shows all of the characteristics of a motorway. It is confusing to think that an at-grade intersection far over the horizon would force a long final segment of road to change classification.<br></div></div>
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