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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Mar 22, 2019, 3:22 PM by m@rtijn.org:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">On Mar 22, 2019, at 4:08 AM, Mark Wagner <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:mark+osm@carnildo.com">mark+osm@carnildo.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:23:48 -0600<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Martijn van Exel <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote><blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">On Mar 21, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mark Wagner <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:mark+osm@carnildo.com">mark+osm@carnildo.com</a>><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">wrote:<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 21:46:59 -0600<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Martijn van Exel <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a> <mailto:<a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a>>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote><blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mateusz Konieczny<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><<a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com">matkoniecz@tutanota.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I plan to run an automated edit that will revert part of the GNIS<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">import that added them and delete objects that never had any<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">reason to appear in the OSM database in any form, at least<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">according to GNIS data.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">not make the edit without a clear support so please comment if<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">you think that it is a good idea and if you think that it should<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">not be done.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Thanks for bringing the idea up. It actually did come up fairly<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">recently on Slack<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C029HV951/p1550176430103000">https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C029HV951/p1550176430103000</a> <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">My view is that we would be missing an opportunity to have mappers<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">review these locations and update the areas concerned. These nodes<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">exist mostly in ‘undermapped' / remote areas that could use some<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">human mapper attention. So I’d be in favor of trying to resolve<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">this using some human driven cleanup first.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">My experience is that this will mostly just make things worse.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">There was a MapRoulette task a while back for cleaning up<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">unmodified GNIS-imported schools. There were only a few of them<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">left around me, but the most common result was that an armchair<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">mapper would drag the node to a nearby non-house-looking building,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">trace the building, and merge it with the imported node. Not one<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">of these was actually a school.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Do you think this could have been prevented had there been better<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">instructions?<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">No, I don't. Sorting out which GNIS nodes are outdated and which are<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">merely misplaced isn't something that can reliably be done from aerial<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">imagery. For something like "(historical)" GNIS nodes, it's better<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">just to delete all of them.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Short of messaging individual mappers, do you see a way in which MapRoulette could be a ‘better citizen’?<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I’m thinking perhaps a way to ‘report’ challenges. (Not sure how that would work though.)<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">Is there way to mark challenge as for armchair users/requiring local survey?<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">And show from the second group only when explicitly required?<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I remember that on my attempt to use MapRoulette many were not doable without local survey.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div> </body>
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