<div dir="ltr">Accidentally sent this as a private reply but did so unintentionally.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Paul Johnson</strong> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>></span><br>Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 7:54 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging<br>To: Tod Fitch <<a href="mailto:tod@fitchdesign.com">tod@fitchdesign.com</a>><br></div><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:26 AM Tod Fitch <<a href="mailto:tod@fitchdesign.com" target="_blank">tod@fitchdesign.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 19, 2019, at 7:28 AM, brad <<a href="mailto:bradhaack@fastmail.com" target="_blank">bradhaack@fastmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for
a 4 wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track. For
the most part they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path.
Unfortunately the wiki says this for highway:path (the highlighting
is mine):<br>
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<i>A non-specific path. </i><i><font color="#cc0000"><b>Use </b><b><tt dir="ltr" class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440mw-content-ltr" style="background:rgb(238,238,255);font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><u></u><a class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440mw-selflink m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440selflink">highway</a><u></u>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway" title="Tag:highway=footway" target="_blank"><u></u>footway<u></u></a></tt></b><b>
for paths mainly for walkers, </b><b><tt dir="ltr" class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440mw-content-ltr" style="background:rgb(238,238,255);font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><u></u><a class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440mw-selflink m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440selflink">highway</a><u></u>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway" title="Tag:highway=cycleway" target="_blank"><u></u>cycleway<u></u></a></tt></b><b>
for one also usable by cyclists, </b><b><tt dir="ltr" class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440mw-content-ltr" style="background:rgb(238,238,255);font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><u></u><a class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440mw-selflink m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440selflink">highway</a><u></u>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway" title="Tag:highway=bridleway" target="_blank"><u></u>bridleway<u></u></a></tt></b><b>
for ones available to horse riders as well as walkers </b></font></i><i>and
</i><i><tt dir="ltr" class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440mw-content-ltr" style="background:rgb(238,238,255);font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><u></u><a class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440mw-selflink m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440selflink">highway</a><u></u>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack" title="Tag:highway=track" target="_blank"><u></u>track<u></u></a></tt></i><i> for
ones which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles.</i><br>
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I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1
user group, anything other than a path. Since about 98% of the
trail tagging that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on
this? Perhaps if the international group likes the description as
is, a clarification on the US road tagging wiki page?<br>
<a class="m_-4821914655370702315gmail-m_-1484475016687609440moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging</a><br>
</div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div>From my experience in the western US, I concur with you.<div><br></div><div>I personally use footway if it is a hard surfaced way that is restricted to foot traffic. One of my mental check points is: can it be used by a person in a wheelchair or pushing a stroller? In practice I usually only see those in suburban and urban environments though there are a few “nature trails” or “discovery trails” specifically designed for handicapped access I’ve come across that I’ve tagged as footways.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Most sidewalks in America are informal dirt trails next to a paved street. I wouldn't call those "paths" at all. They're not suitable (or legal) for cycles to use, and definitely not suitable for other wheeled travel (motorized or not). That would definitely be a footway. Your average concrete sidewalk (in the relatively rare places these exist) would also be footway (but additionally, footway=sidewalk).</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>Once away from town the ways are almost always too rough or narrow for a stroller/wheelchair and they are almost always multiple use with some combination of walking, equestrian and/or bicycling use allowed. Those I tag as paths.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's (mostly) fair. Be sure to explicitly tag at least foot and bicycle values, as path implicitly allows both in most areas (even though this isn't normally or always the case). Highway values I definitely support explicit tagging for foot and bicycle at a minimum are pedestrian, footway, path, cycleway, trunk and motorway, because at least in North America, all bets are off on those.</div></div></div>
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