<div dir="ltr">I've reached out to a couple of the nearby reservations, one with a small parcel of off reservation land trust, the other with only a small reservation but a very large off reservation land trust. I don't expect answers until possibly after the new year. Unlike Oklahoma, Washington reservations are pretty straight forward. The Yakama Nation has a large disputed area but I'm inclined to show it as reservation land. I haven't updated it yet because the borders are tied up in multiple relations that need undoing.<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Clifford</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:42 PM David Bartecchi <<a href="mailto:dbartecchi@gmail.com">dbartecchi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">All of these concerns must be weighed against the fact that the current absence of Native lands in OSM only contributes to the erasure Native Americans and their lands from the American collective conscience. <div><br></div><div>Dave</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:27 PM Paul Johnson <<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org" target="_blank">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Content warning: Aboriginal abuse mention<br></div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 2:08 PM Clifford Snow <<a href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I do have Washington State tribal lands available [1] as a background layer for JOSM. There is also a vector tile layer [2] of the same background available for iD users. <div><br></div><div>The data contains the name in english and the land type of Disputed Area, Off-Reservation Trust Land, Reservation, and Tribal Headquarters. Only 4 disputed areas but 60 Off-Reservation areas. Some people include Off-Reservation in tribal lands while others do not. My sense is that they should be tagged as boundary=aboriginal_lands. I'd like to hear the opinion of the group. <br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The TLDR: I, personally, have not been including trust lands in Oklahoma, for pragmatic reasons. The situation is complicated, painful to many, and politically loaded on a level where I don't think OSM should sort out trust lands yet.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm aware of several dozen trust exclaves, but they all fall into one of three categories.</div><ol><li>The exclave is presently unclaimed or claimed but no longer occupied by multiple tribes, and thus the status is ambiguous other than it's within BIA jurisdiction. Most Oklahoma exclaves fall into this category, and it's really complicated.<br></li><li>The exclave is claimed by one tribe but it's ability to establish a presence and primary jurisdiction is in question. There's an exclave in Boise, OK where one of the tribes (not sure which, but pretty sure not mine) presently has plans to open a travel center and casino, however, this exclave is hundreds of kilometers from their jurisdictional area and whether or not they can even claim the exclave is nebulous. It's effectively tribal terra nullius.<br></li><li>The Chilocco Indian Residential School. This one gets super touchy. The school, which closed in 1980, has sat abandoned and uncared for since, yet can't be torn down without considerable red tape since the site is on the National Historic Register. The school is currently assigned to five additional tribes in the immediate region, and they cooperatively ran a rehabilitation center for the school's victims at the site in the 1990s and 2000s, but the rehab facility has also sat abandoned since at least 2011 with no plans for the site, and the whole enclave currently is off limits to everyone, very intermittently used as a training ground for federal police agencies, further rubbing sandpaper into unhealed wounds for many. No surprise, the original school that operated for 98 years is widely criticized for most of its existence, and especially in its final decade of operation, for being little more than a concentration camp for indian children as part of the US's plan for Americanization of indians. As far as I can tell, abuse at the school was institutionalized, frequent and persistent enough it's hard not to imagine it wasn't by design. It might as well be scorched earth.<br></li></ol><div>Add this into the fact that not all of Oklahoma's tribes (or even the relevant tribes that potentially have claim to these parcels) get along with each other. Add that Governor Stitt has been talking about cancelling state compacts with the tribes this month, and we're actually seeing nearly unprecedented intertribal unity and cooperation right now (weird how a common threat does that). <br></div><div><br></div><div>All that said, my read on the situation? Trying to sort out the trust lands in Oklahoma is politically shaky at best for OSM, and it wouldn't surprise me if similar situations are present in other states. Offhand, Pennsylvania, Oregon and Kansas all have federal indian schools presently in operation (Army War College in Carlisle, Chemawa in Salem, and Haskell Indian College in Haskell respectively). Washington State had one as well (Fort Simcoe), and presently has a far darker and ongoing relations with the tribes in that state most readily comparable Canada's Highway of Tears, but more widespread.<br></div></div></div>
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