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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I can understand reasoning behind Foo County, and Foo for county </p><p class=MsoNormal>names. For instance, counties around here share names with major </p><p class=MsoNormal>cities in that county. For instance, Saint Louis city/Saint Louis </p><p class=MsoNormal>county and Saint Charles city/Saint Charles county.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We almost always say county afterwards. Occasionally, we will say </p><p class=MsoNormal>city after if we think it needs to be said. Saying just Saint </p><p class=MsoNormal>Louis, usually people just think of the region around Saint Louis </p><p class=MsoNormal>city. If you want to specifically mention the city itself, you say </p><p class=MsoNormal>so. But we still tag cities without the city attached (no "Town of </p><p class=MsoNormal>Foo"/"City of Foo"/"Foo Village"/"Foo City").</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My opinion is, put the most common form in name, then use short_name </p><p class=MsoNormal>or official_name as needed. County/City/State itself can usually be </p><p class=MsoNormal>found from border_type/place tags, so it shouldn't be needed in </p><p class=MsoNormal>name.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Aaron Forsythe</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> stevea <steveaOSM@softworkers.com> writes:</p><p class=MsoNormal>> </p><p class=MsoNormal>> Like some things in computer science / database searching / </p><p class=MsoNormal>> software-based cartography, this feels like yet another "do our </p><p class=MsoNormal>> best to document, code, data-enter and find what works / doesn't </p><p class=MsoNormal>> work, then lather-rinse-repeat." As long as we document (in wiki, </p><p class=MsoNormal>> in the map, in practice) that we have/use name, alt_name, </p><p class=MsoNormal>> official_name, loc_name (and all the rest), we "do our best" to </p><p class=MsoNormal>> capture these semantics. The iterative process of how all of that </p><p class=MsoNormal>> works with renderers/routers/searchers that pay attention to all </p><p class=MsoNormal>> of it is, it seems by necessity, a slow-moving and a </p><p class=MsoNormal>> back-and-forth-many-times effort.</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Dialog like this is an important part of that. We are, after all, </p><p class=MsoNormal>> inventing and developing-on-the-fly a crowd-sourced planetary-wide </p><p class=MsoNormal>> map, and there are millions (billions, really) of us involved. </p><p class=MsoNormal>> After a decade or two (or three, or four...), it gets better, but </p><p class=MsoNormal>> I'm content to look ahead to OSM's second, third, fourth and fifth </p><p class=MsoNormal>> decades as "better gets YET BETTER." Sharpen focus, sharpen </p><p class=MsoNormal>> focus, sharpen focus.</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> SteveA</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>> On Dec 26, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Greg Troxel <gdt@lexort.com> wrote:</p><p class=MsoNormal>>> </p><p class=MsoNormal>>> stevea <steveaOSM@softworkers.com> writes:</p><p class=MsoNormal>>> </p><p class=MsoNormal>>>> Also, I find that "alt_name" works well for abbreviated county </p><p class=MsoNormal>>>> names, as in California in certain contexts, the name of a </p><p class=MsoNormal>>>> county without the word "county" appended unambiguously </p><p class=MsoNormal>>>> communicates a geography to someone. (As in "From this part of </p><p class=MsoNormal>>>> Amador (county), you'll have to skirt the edge of El Dorado to </p><p class=MsoNormal>>>> get to Alpine"). Greg (M.) seems to indicate this happens in </p><p class=MsoNormal>>>> (Pima) Arizona, as well.</p><p class=MsoNormal>>> </p><p class=MsoNormal>>> I can see that this is useful, but I see that as "how should a </p><p class=MsoNormal>>> renderer/router/searcher use the database", vs "we should add </p><p class=MsoNormal>>> alt_foo tags for anything that someone might search on".</p></div></body></html>