<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 1, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Paul Johnson <<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org" class="">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:57 PM Mike Thompson <<a href="mailto:miketho16@gmail.com" class="">miketho16@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Do the names on the USGS Topo Maps that end in "Draw", "Gulch", and similar terms refer to a stream, or a valley? I have always assumed a stream, and applied the name to waterway=stream in OSM, but perhaps that is not correct.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Could be a canyon, or the stream at the bottom of it. Context is king when it comes to the names we gave things in the US.</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>I concur that it could be either the canyon or the stream at the bottom.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But it seems in the desert southwest the “stream”, in the bottom is usually ephemeral so it is more likely to be the canyon/arroyo. In that case I tag it as natural=valley.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">With respect to names on USGS topographic maps: At least on most of the old “historic” quads I have they used a different typeface/typographic treatment for waterways versus valleys/canyons/draws/gulches. So you might take your clue from that.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></body></html>