<div dir="ltr"><div>Kevin,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Maybe we have different contexts? In my area, we have <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/11475986">privately owned roads</a> that are more than just driveways.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regarding: "<b>don't worry about it</b>"</div><div><br></div><div>I find this dissatisfying.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The <i>sole purpose</i> of routing is to get the user to their destination without breaking any laws. These are also <i>specifically my</i> <i>goals </i>when I'm using a router. Frequently (in my rural area) getting to my destination requires using a privately owned road. You might say "access=private" isn't a problem because I can tell my router to ignore "access=private". But I don't want to go down any roads that say "Stay out" and have a gate, or a person brandishing a rifle.</div><div>When every privately owned road is marked as access=private, it is not possible for me to achieve both of those goals (get there, don't break laws) at the same time. By encouraging routers to ignore "access=private" you're neutering real access restrictions.</div><div><br></div><div>
So, you're either saying <i>don't worry about</i> breaking laws, or <i>don't worry about</i> getting to your destination
</div><div><br></div><div>That is my argument <i>against access=private</i> on privately owned roads. My argument <i>for ownership=private</i> is to set a clear and visible precedent that private ownership <i>has a tag</i>, which <i>is not the access tag.<br></i></div><div><br></div><div>-Alex<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:49 PM Kevin Kenny <<a href="mailto:kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com" target="_blank">kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:05 PM Mike Thompson <<a href="mailto:miketho16@gmail.com" target="_blank">miketho16@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > - The access -- somewhat common to find a pubic road imported with access=private, so if I suspect this I'll leave the tiger:reviewed=no tag until access can be confirmed, and add a note or fixme. (It's also quite common to find driveways imported as access=private. When surveying, I tend to remove the private tag if the driveway isn't gated or signed private, since access=private will prevent routing to the house at the end of the driveway, sometimes even ending the route on a different residential road that's physically closer to the house than the road the driveway's connected to.)<br>
> I always thought that driveways to private residences and private roads (whether gated or not) should be tagged as access=private. Often these private roads are posted with a sign that says something like "Private road, no trespassing", or "Private Road, Residents and Guests Only."<br>
<br>
One thing to watch out for in the countryside is that there are often<br>
streets signed 'Xxx Drive // PRIVATE' meaning that the road is<br>
privately maintained, rather than meaning 'no trespassing.'<br>
<br>
But here I think that the importance of the distinction is overblown.<br>
I strongly suspect:<br>
<br>
(1) People don't ordinarily want to be routed down these<br>
privately-maintained roads (which are usually, in effect, driveways<br>
that happen to serve more than one establishment) unless they have<br>
business with some establishment on the road.<br>
(2) Delivery drivers use routers that allow for access to private<br>
drives to deliver to the associated residence. (In effect, the person<br>
who ordered the goods for delivery has issued an invitation to the<br>
carrier.)<br>
<br>
and hence, the public/private distinction for service ways falls in my<br>
mental model under, 'don't worry about it.'<br>
<br>
-- <br>
73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin<br>
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