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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/14/2020 4:53 AM, Mateusz Konieczny
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<div>Jul 14, 2020, 02:20 by <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jmapb@gmx.com">jmapb@gmx.com</a>:<br>
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<div>On 7/13/2020 4:09 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:<br>
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<div>On 13/07/2020 15.16, Kevin Kenny wrote:<br>
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<div>The immediate curtilage of a house is presumed to be
private; at least<br>
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<div>in the US, one does not drive or walk directly up to
someone's house<br>
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<div>without having business there. (Someone making a
delivery, obviously,<br>
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<div>has business there.)<br>
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<div>...this seems to be the definition of access=destination?<br>
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<div>I'd say yes, that access=destination is closest to how I
interpret most<br>
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<div>driveways: you can walk/drive along the driveway if you
have a good<br>
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<div>reason, eg to make a delivery or an inquiry.<br>
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<div>access=destination mean "no transit", not "with valid
reason".<br>
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<div>access=destination on driveway means "cannot be used by
transit",<br>
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<div>not "can be used if owner presumably agrees".<br>
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<div>access=destination has the same meaning as access=yes on ways<br>
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<div>that are not usable for transit (for example driveway
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<div>a single road on one end and leading into house)<br>
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<p>Yes, I believe I understand the distinction here. (Which is why I
said "closest" -- it's not exactly right.)</p>
<p>By my understanding, access=destination means "You may use this
way if this is your destination." There are three implications
here:<br>
1 - It's more permissive than access=private. You don't need to
ask to use this way.<br>
2 - It's less permissive than access=yes/permissive. You *only*
have permission if this is your destination. (I said "a good
reason" which is not exactly the same thing, though close.)<br>
3 - You may not traverse this way onto another way with different
access, ie, don't use it for a shortcut. (A common road sign for
this in the USA is "No Thru Traffic".)<br>
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<p>When a dead end like a driveway is tagged with
access=destination, number 3 is irrelevant and from a routing
point of view it's identical to access=yes/permissive. But numbers
1 and 2 still apply, so from a semantic point of view it's a
little better IMO.</p>
<p>But as I said, I would not encourage anyone to start tagging all
driveways with access=destination. I believe it's usually a better
fit than access=private, but unless there's specific prohibitive
signage I'd recommend omitting access tags on driveways.<br>
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<div>If there was reason to believe you needed explicit
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<div>that way, then access=private would be correct.<br>
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<div>I am unsure what is the best way to tag "explicit permission
not required,<br>
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<div>implicit permission is required" case. (it is not a big
problem in Poland<br>
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<div>where nearly all such roads will have a gate anyway, bumping
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<div>into access=private)<br>
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<p>I'm really not sure how to interpret "Implicit permission is
required." To my mind, if permission is implicit, it's not
required (access=permissive) and if permission is required, it's
not implicit (access=private.)</p>
<p>For a typical unsigned & ungated driveway in the USA, I'd
describe the implied access as "You may use this way to make a
delivery, or to immediately ring the doorbell and state your
business." Access=destination is the closest tag IMO, but I think
just service=driveway and no access tag is better.<br>
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<p>Jason<br>
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