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I'm with Kevin, SteveA, etc, here. In the part of the world that
I live, a map without national forest & BLM boundaries is very
incomplete. A useful OSM needs this. The useful boundary would
be the actual ownership boundary, not the outer potential ownership
boundary. Messy, I know.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/1/20 7:05 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:52 AM Bradley White
<<a href="mailto:theangrytomato@gmail.com"
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into a checkerboard<br>
area of private/public land, there are no Forest
Service signs at the<br>
limits of private land.<br>
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<div dir="auto">In my neck of the woods, USFS owned land
is signed fairly frequently with small yellow property
markers at the boundaries.</div>
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<div>In repeated discussions about the large government-owned
mixed-public-use land areas in the US, people have argued
repeatedly that the boundaries are unverifiable. We've
shown references like <a
href="https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/gwj/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5276999"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/gwj/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5276999</a> indicating
that the boundaries are indeed marked, and how they are
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<div>Note that that reference distinguishes the proclaimed
boundary - the large region in which the Congress has
authorized the National Forest to exist - from the actual
forest land.</div>
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style="background-color:rgb(255,253,238);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.24px">Maps
commonly show proclaimed national forest boundaries.
However, all land within these boundaries is not national
forest land; some is privately owned. The user is
cautioned to comply with state law and owner's rules when
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<div>This has failed to satisfy. The same individuals continue
to contend, each time the topic comes around, that the
boundaries are unverifiable, and to cling to that contention
in the face of this evidence. In a previous round, one of
the people actually advanced the argument that only each
individual sign, blaze, stake or cairn is verifiable, and
that the line that they mark is not verifiable and ought not
to be mapped. </div>
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<div>This behaviour convinced me long ago that there is a
certain contingent here, almost entirely comprising people
who've never set foot in a National Forest, who ardently
wish to keep US National Forests and similar lands (e.g.,
the zoo of New York State public-access areas, the
Pennsylvania State Game Lands, and even our State Parks) off
the map, for reasons that don't touch on verifiability, but
throw verifiability into the pot in an effort to make a
stronger case.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin</div>
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