<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">New section title which should be globally accurate:<div><br></div><div><span class="gmail-mw-headline" id="gmail-Non-standard_usage" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Linux Libertine",Georgia,Times,serif">Non-standard usag</span></div><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">In some regions the tag <tt dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:1em;direction:ltr;background-color:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" title="Key:highway" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none">highway</a>=<a class="gmail-mw-selflink gmail-selflink" style="text-decoration:inherit;color:inherit;background-image:none;font-weight:bold">track</a></tt> has been used in other ways which are not always accepted by the community.</p><ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">For any unpaved minor road, regardless of usage or purpose, including residential roads and service roads. But this is considered inappropriate <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer" title="Tagging for the renderer" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none">tagging for the renderer</a> by most mappers. The tag <tt dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:1em;direction:ltr;background-color:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface" title="Key:surface" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none">surface</a>=*</tt> is recommended instead.</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">For minor or service roads which requires a high-clearance, 4 wheel drive, or off-road vehicle for access due to a rough and bumpy, or soft and slippery surface.<sup id="gmail-cite_ref-1" class="gmail-reference" style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:isolate;white-space:nowrap"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack#cite_note-1" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none">[1]</a></sup> However, this information can be more specifically tagged with <tt dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:1em;direction:ltr;background-color:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype" title="Key:tracktype" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none">tracktype</a>=*</tt> and <tt dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:1em;direction:ltr;background-color:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness" title="Key:smoothness" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none">smoothness</a>=*</tt>.</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Access roads in cemeteries, parks, allotment gardens, golf courses, and recreation areas. This usage may be considered appropriate in certain regions.</li></ul></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:24 AM Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm updating the page again because most of what we have mentioned is not only true for the USA but globally.<div><br></div><div>While I understand that as Americans we are used to our opinions being extra valuable, it's important to recall that only about 10% of OpenStreetMap data and mappers are from the USA, so we should avoid having country-specific sections unless absolutely necessary, or else we will end up with a section on usage in Russia, Japan, Brazil, Germany, England, Poland, etc. for each wiki article.</div><div><br></div><div>I've added that tracks might be used for hunting, fishing birdwatching or gathering mushrooms as examples. We already have mention of leisure/recreation via hiking, cycling, or ATV / off road vehicles too. </div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">"Note that forestry use </span>includes also forestry<span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> use without logging, for example access for firefighting, hunting, fishing, birdwatching, gathering mushrooms, and so on."</span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">(This is at the end of the paragraph which starts "</span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Some </span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;color:rgb(32,33,34);background-color:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" title="Key:highway" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" target="_blank">highway</a>=track</tt><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> are used for various leisure or recreation activities - hiking, cycling, or as SUV/</span><a rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-terrain_vehicle" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);padding-right:13px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-position:100% 50%" target="_blank">ATV</a><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> trails.")</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">I've also updated the next section:</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div>"* There may be structures used as hunting cabins, fire lookouts, agricultural service buildings, or camping shelters, which are only accessible by a highway=track, but a road which is the primary access to a permanent residence or commercial property, such as residential driveways or industrial access roads, should be a highway=service or a higher road class."<br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope this makes it clear that vacation or hunting cabins and camp shelters can be accessed only by a highway=track, just like agricultural or forestry accessory service buildings (barns, storage sheds). But I believe permanent residences, including farmhouses, isolated dwellings and industrial or commercial buildings are accessed by highway=service or a higher class</div><div><br></div><div>Now that these clarifications are added, I think we are including basically all examples of usage in the USA which are widely considered appropriate.</div><div><br></div><div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:06 AM Zeke Farwell <<a href="mailto:ezekielf@gmail.com" target="_blank">ezekielf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 7:53 AM Frederik Ramm <<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Tagging something as "highway=track" without further details will be<br>
interpreted by almost anyone as "being available to the public".<br>
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As someone who is part of the team that receives complaints from land<br>
owners, park managers and the like, I wonder if we as a project need to<br>
start exercising more caution when we carelessly claim that any track we<br>
spot on aerial imagery is usable for the general public.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Frederik, I think this is well said. For what it's worth, I don't interpret "highway=track" without further details as "available to the public". This is probably due to US usage, but to me that situation is uncertain and just means: "Here is a track where some vehicles drive. Legal access is unclear. May be too rugged for some vehicles." Or in other words "be prepared, you're on your own!" <br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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