<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm updating the page again because most of what we have mentioned is not only true for the USA but globally.<div><br></div><div>While I understand that as Americans we are used to our opinions being extra valuable, it's important to recall that only about 10% of OpenStreetMap data and mappers are from the USA, so we should avoid having country-specific sections unless absolutely necessary, or else we will end up with a section on usage in Russia, Japan, Brazil, Germany, England, Poland, etc. for each wiki article.</div><div><br></div><div>I've added that tracks might be used for hunting, fishing birdwatching or gathering mushrooms as examples. We already have mention of leisure/recreation via hiking, cycling, or ATV / off road vehicles too. </div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">"Note that forestry use </span>includes also forestry<span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> use without logging, for example access for firefighting, hunting, fishing, birdwatching, gathering mushrooms, and so on."</span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">(This is at the end of the paragraph which starts "</span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Some </span><tt dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-content-ltr" style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;color:rgb(32,33,34);background-color:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" title="Key:highway" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none">highway</a>=track</tt><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> are used for various leisure or recreation activities - hiking, cycling, or as SUV/</span><a rel="nofollow" class="external gmail-text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-terrain_vehicle" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);padding-right:13px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-position:100% 50%">ATV</a><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> trails.")</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">I've also updated the next section:</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div>"* There may be structures used as hunting cabins, fire lookouts, agricultural service buildings, or camping shelters, which are only accessible by a highway=track, but a road which is the primary access to a permanent residence or commercial property, such as residential driveways or industrial access roads, should be a highway=service or a higher road class."<br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope this makes it clear that vacation or hunting cabins and camp shelters can be accessed only by a highway=track, just like agricultural or forestry accessory service buildings (barns, storage sheds). But I believe permanent residences, including farmhouses, isolated dwellings and industrial or commercial buildings are accessed by highway=service or a higher class</div><div><br></div><div>Now that these clarifications are added, I think we are including basically all examples of usage in the USA which are widely considered appropriate.</div><div><br></div><div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:06 AM Zeke Farwell <<a href="mailto:ezekielf@gmail.com">ezekielf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 7:53 AM Frederik Ramm <<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Tagging something as "highway=track" without further details will be<br>
interpreted by almost anyone as "being available to the public".<br>
<br>
As someone who is part of the team that receives complaints from land<br>
owners, park managers and the like, I wonder if we as a project need to<br>
start exercising more caution when we carelessly claim that any track we<br>
spot on aerial imagery is usable for the general public.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Frederik, I think this is well said. For what it's worth, I don't interpret "highway=track" without further details as "available to the public". This is probably due to US usage, but to me that situation is uncertain and just means: "Here is a track where some vehicles drive. Legal access is unclear. May be too rugged for some vehicles." Or in other words "be prepared, you're on your own!" <br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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