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Overall, I think the changes recently made to the wiki track page
are great. I have 2 points:<br>
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I'm not sure this bullet point is justified? This seems to broad
& I don't see many arguing for it's use for 'any unpaved minor
road'. <br>
<ul>
<li>For any unpaved minor road, regardless of usage or purpose,
including residential roads and service roads.<sup
id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack#cite_note-1">[1]</a></sup>
However, community discussions suggest that most mappers
consider this usage overly broad and possibly <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer"
title="Tagging for the renderer">tagging for the renderer</a>.
The tag <tt dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"
style="background:#EEF;font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><bdi
style="white-space:nowrap"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface"
title="Key:surface">surface</a></bdi>=*</tt> is
recommended instead.</li>
</ul>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Since an unmaintained road is often appropriately tagged as a
track, I would suggest changing this text from this:<br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>For <i>unmaintained</i>, disused or abandoned roads.<sup
id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Ahighway%3Dtrack&type=revision&diff=2118226&oldid=2118089#cite_note-3">[3]</a></sup>
See <tt dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"
style="background:#EEF;font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><bdi
style="white-space:nowrap"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused"
title="Key:disused">disused:highway</a></bdi>=*</tt> and <tt
dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"
style="background:#EEF;font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><bdi
style="white-space:nowrap"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned"
title="Key:abandoned">abandoned:highway</a></bdi>=*</tt>
as alternatives.</li>
</ul>
<p>To this:<br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>For disused or abandoned roads.<sup id="cite_ref-3"
class="reference"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Ahighway%3Dtrack&type=revision&diff=2118226&oldid=2118089#cite_note-3">[3]</a></sup>
See <tt dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"
style="background:#EEF;font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><bdi
style="white-space:nowrap"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused"
title="Key:disused">disused:highway</a></bdi>=*</tt> and <tt
dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"
style="background:#EEF;font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><bdi
style="white-space:nowrap"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned"
title="Key:abandoned">abandoned:highway</a></bdi>=*</tt>
as alternatives.</li>
</ul>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/22/21 8:38 PM, Brian M.
Sperlongano wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks everyone for the thoughtful replies. This
was very helpful in shaping the community understanding of how
we're using this tag in the US.
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<div>Based on this discussion, I've written up the following
section on the wiki:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack#Usage_in_the_United_States"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack#Usage_in_the_United_States</a><br>
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<div>Hopefully I've accurately captured our discussion here,
even if it does make things a bit muddy from a global
perspective. Feel free to revise this if you think I've
gotten anything wrong!</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 12:53
PM Martijn van Exel <<a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">m@rtijn.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>Brian,<br>
</p>
<p>Thanks for collecting these insights. I wouldn't call its
usage controversial based on the mere fact that there is a
range of interpretations of its usage--that would render a
good number of tags in OSM controversial. <br>
</p>
<p>The bigger issue here is what is actually on the wiki.
Right now, discussions about US road tagging feed on a set
of alternative truths on there, which is not productive
and makes for recurring discussions on the same topics
without a satisfying conclusion.<br>
</p>
A quite non-exhaustive list of pages with redundant /
conflicting information:
<ul>
<li><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States/Road_classification"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States/Road_classification</a></li>
<li><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Roadway_Classification_Guidelines"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Roadway_Classification_Guidelines</a></li>
<li><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging</a></li>
<li><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence</a></li>
<li>The international equivalent sections of the common
road classes, like
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrunk#International_equivalence"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrunk#International_equivalence</a><br>
</li>
<li>Various state page's sections on highway tagging, such
as
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/West_Virginia#Functional_Classification"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/West_Virginia#Functional_Classification</a>,
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/New_Jersey#Classifications"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/New_Jersey#Classifications</a>,
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state)#Highway_Classification"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state)#Highway_Classification</a>,
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indiana#Highway_Classifications"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indiana#Highway_Classifications</a>,
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Florida#Tagging_ideas_for_Florida"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Florida#Tagging_ideas_for_Florida</a>
(there are likely many more)</li>
</ul>
<p>This is not saying you're wrong to raise it, not at all.
I'm just pointing out a root cause in the hopes that we
can start working on fixing the bigger issue. This is a
big pile of work but with big reward as well. <br>
</p>
<p>Martijn<br>
</p>
<div>On 2/19/2021 4:56 PM, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:<br>
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<pre>The usage of the tag highway=track is controversial. Through
discussion with both US-based and foreign mappers, it is apparent that
this tag is used differently in the US than it is in the rest of the
world. Further, the usage in the US appears to be different from how
it is documented on the OSM wiki[1].
The wiki description is "roads for mostly agricultural use, forest tracks etc."
In the US, the 2007 TIGER import assigned highway=track to CFCC code
A51, which is described as "Vehicular trail, road passable only by 4WD
vehicle, unseparated".
In a recent Slack discussion[2], mappers shared their perspective on
how they use highway=track:
"I always use track for public, unmaintained highways and usually use
track for discontinued roads. My thought is that if it used to be a
road, and snowmobiles and ATVs can still use it, then track works
(with access=permissive if applicable)" -aweech, New Hampshire
"I use highway=path for trails that were formerly cut as forestry
tracks (wide between trees), but are now only beaten in a single-track
due to exclusively non-motorized usage." -adamfranco, Vermont
"I use it for any rough, unmaintained looking track" -Zeke Farwell, Vermont
"I use track for any road that would be irresponsible to route over
because it might wreck a car, or isn’t cleared of snow, tree, or flood
debris, or only used during some seasons.. the “purpose” of the road
doesn’t matter to me." -bhousel, New Jersey
"I don't think forestry and agriculture are bad reasons for a road to
be a track, and that does indeed match the definition of a lot of
tracks in Colorado. If it were expanded to include the fact that this
use might be historical, and then add mining and other natural
resource management, and unmanaged recreation, then you'd cover almost
all of what we call tracks in the US" -phidauex, Colorado
It appears that the US usage of highway=track follows more closely to
the definition from the TIGER import, which is based on physical
characteristics, rather than the wiki definition, which is based on
usage.
US mappers: how do you apply highway=track in the US?
[1] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=track" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=track</a>
[2] <a href="https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C2VJAJCS0/p1613754200382000" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C2VJAJCS0/p1613754200382000</a>
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