<div dir="ltr"><div>Well said, Adam! I am thinking along the same lines.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:45 AM Adam Franco <<a href="mailto:adamfranco@gmail.com">adamfranco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 5:05 PM Paul Johnson <<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org" target="_blank">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
> 3. Trunks should be important roads that fill in gaps in the Interstate system between two large cities. This can be 4 lane US highways, but it can also be 2 lane US highways, 4 lane state highways, you get the idea. The main idea is that the road is filling an important gap in the interstate system.<br>
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That's what we have highway=primary for.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Using highway=primary as the highest class for 2-lane roads fails because it loses the idea that there are very important long-distance connectors that should be visible at low-zoom maps but don't have the traffic demand to warrant the expense of adding bigger physical infrastructure. Compare Carto's z6 and z7 rendering of the <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/54.553/-2.626" target="_blank">UK</a> and the <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/37.423/-94.713" target="_blank">US midwest</a> and note the difference in connectivity. A lot of the smaller roads through the far reaches of Scotland, Wales, and even England are non-motorway 2-lane roads that are physically constructed like many of our US highways and state highways. <br></div><div><br></div><div>As an example, the <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29551321#map=11/56.5406/-5.2782" target="_blank">A828</a> from Oban to Glencoe Scotland is a small <a href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=56.53804316&lng=-5.30388315&z=17.402428472937416&pKey=dS7J0mziCXvRUlKQdI8heg&focus=photo" target="_blank">2-lane coast-road without a shoulder</a> for much of its length. It is however, the only connector road between the regionally important towns and cities of the west coast of Scotland. I get that OSM is based on the British classification system directly so it can be hard to retrofit actual principals onto British mapping practice. That said, I think we can avoid many of our problems by using 'trunk' as "the most important non-motorway roads" and not jumping right to primary. By jumping right to primary we lose the ability to filter data at low zooms to show only the most important long-distance and regional connectors and end up with this low-zoom patchwork of motorway islands that is hard to make sense of.<br></div><div><br></div><div>At this point I'm thinking of the highway=trunk,primary,secondary,tertiary,unclassified,residential values as simply funny labels for descending numerical values of connectivity-importance. I'm now on board with the position that only motorway implies any physical characteristics.<br></div></div></div>
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