<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 8:55 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us <<a href="mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Nov 8, 2021, 18:07 by <a href="mailto:zelonewolf@gmail.com" target="_blank">zelonewolf@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 11:49 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us <<a href="mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div>Nov 8, 2021, 13:18 by <a href="mailto:zelonewolf@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">zelonewolf@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="ltr"><div>I don't have a problem with the large size of the bounding box, as it is clear from the changeset description what the change is, and it is topically consistent (i.e. - it's not a changeset with a park in New York, an ice cream shop in Albuquerque, and a river in St. Louis!).<br></div><div><br></div><div>I *DO* have a problem with the change itself, as name:en is redundant when the name is already in English. The data consumers that I'm familiar with (namely, OpenMapTiles, and my own service) that are tasked with extracting names in English are perfectly capable of looking for name:en first, and then falling back to name if name:en is not present. So IMO, this is tag bloat. I have added a changeset comment requesting an explanation for the change and will link to this discussion.<br></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">It is not really redundant as soon as you make a bit more interesting name display.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">if someone would want to display names in English but in case of English name being<br></div><div dir="auto">unavailable, show German name (which would be preferred over say "京市北")<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's a reasonable use case that I hadn't considered. It does still feel a bit redundant but I can accept that explanation. It is probably worth adding a revision to the name=* wiki page expressing this.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">It is already, in fact I added this already as usefulness of this info is quite surprising.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For example it surprised me when I initially implemented this fallback and<br></div><div dir="auto">started getting German names for cities in Poland (typical case of software doing<br></div><div dir="auto">what instructed, not what intended).<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So I am not surprised that it is not known more widely.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Repeating_name_with_language_specific_tag" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Repeating_name_with_language_specific_tag</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Feel free to edit it if something is poorly written there, maybe it should be also qualified<br></div><div dir="auto">that such explicit language tagging is not fully accepted.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>I still do not see the value in this mechanical edit which, as I understand it, simply copied the value of the name tag to name:en for all of the cities in the US. If necessary the data user/consumer could have done the same thing. Now, if there was an individual case where name was not equal to name:en, and the mapper had knowledge of this and/or researched it, and then made that specific edit, I can see value in that. Of course, if any such cases exist, they have now been obscured by this mechanical edit which implies "yes, someone verified that name and name:en are the same."</div><div><br></div><div>Mike</div></div></div>