<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 8:27 PM Minh Nguyen <<a href="mailto:minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us">minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
In Indiana and Ohio counties where the terrain allows for an <br>
uninterrupted countywide street grid, the county-maintained roads are <br>
have county *road* numbers instead of numbered county *route* numbers. A <br>
"South County Road 600 East" or "South 600 East" would have more in <br>
common with an "East 8th Street" in town than a "County Route 600" in a <br>
neighboring county with a route system. Just as some cities number their <br>
north-south streets and letter their east-west streets, some counties <br>
letter their east-west street too. Some counties have both a numbered <br>
road grid and a numbered route network.<br>
<br>
In the past, I was unaware of this distinction and tended to tag them <br>
all as routes, but in hindsight, that misconception led me to invent way <br>
refs like "CR 600 E" that were nothing more than abbreviations of street <br>
names in reality, akin to "E 8th St". [1] Rather than add them to <br>
relations, I need to go back and delete these refs.<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17554398" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17554398</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Let's use two Indiana counties as an example here.</div><div><br></div><div>Kosciusko County uses the system favored by a majority of counties in Indiana, where grid-based roads are variably signed like "CR 600 E" or simply "600 E". When the grid-based roads pass through incorporated towns, or happen to travel along a US or state road, they lose their grid-based name. Blaine Street in North Webster [1] would otherwise be County Road 750 East if it were in an unincorporated area. Likewise, State Road 14 [2] would be County Road 1100 South if it weren't state-maintained. Considering the way these road designations freely start and stop, I think it makes sense to remove the ref tags and relations that I added a few months ago.</div><div><br></div><div>Elkhart County's system is a microcosm of the way Interstate, US and Indiana roads are numbered, where odd numbers go North-South, evens go East-West, and they increment in a certain direction. However, like other Indiana counties, these actually indicate the road's position in a grid, rather than designating continuous routes. In Elkhart County, road numbers continue into incorporated municipalities, often being signed in a double-barreled fashion, like Midway Road/CR 26 [3]. These cases are unclear to me - do ref tags and route relations belong on roads in counties like Elkhart?<br></div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/297829745">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/297829745</a></div><div>[2] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17405029">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17405029</a></div><div>[3] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17326445">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17326445</a></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 8:27 PM Minh Nguyen <<a href="mailto:minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us">minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Vào lúc 16:06 2021-11-20, Paul Johnson đã viết:<br>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 10:32 PM Minh Nguyen <br>
> <<a href="mailto:minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us" target="_blank">minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us" target="_blank">minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> If we do expand this discussion globally, we're going to have a talk<br>
> about how it's possible to drive westbound on "East County Road 00<br>
> North<br>
> South" (not to be confused with ref=US 35;SR 22). [1]<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> So, County Road 00 (using our Nebrahoma example again) in Corn County, <br>
> Nebrahoma, Federated States (which conveniently uses US tagging <br>
> conventions) would get a road route relation in network FS:NA:Corn with <br>
> a ref of 00. noname=yes applies on the way, and ref would be US 35;NA <br>
> 22;CR 00 (something I hope we can make optional and sunset in the future <br>
> since the ref doesn't describe the way at all but the route that the way <br>
> is a member of)<br>
<br>
You're conflating road names and route numbers. ;-) I've seen county <br>
routes that you've tagged this way in Oklahoma and I don't question its <br>
correctness, but the example I gave in Indiana would not be tagged as a <br>
county route.<br>
<br>
In Indiana and Ohio counties where the terrain allows for an <br>
uninterrupted countywide street grid, the county-maintained roads are <br>
have county *road* numbers instead of numbered county *route* numbers. A <br>
"South County Road 600 East" or "South 600 East" would have more in <br>
common with an "East 8th Street" in town than a "County Route 600" in a <br>
neighboring county with a route system. Just as some cities number their <br>
north-south streets and letter their east-west streets, some counties <br>
letter their east-west street too. Some counties have both a numbered <br>
road grid and a numbered route network.<br>
<br>
In the past, I was unaware of this distinction and tended to tag them <br>
all as routes, but in hindsight, that misconception led me to invent way <br>
refs like "CR 600 E" that were nothing more than abbreviations of street <br>
names in reality, akin to "E 8th St". [1] Rather than add them to <br>
relations, I need to go back and delete these refs.<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17554398" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17554398</a><br>
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