frederik at remote.org
Fri Feb 2 10:40:02 GMT 2007
my last piece about license stuff as I'd rather spend my time
productively instead of getting all agitated about political topics.
Which I easily do.
Richard wrote (about the FSF thingy):
> Interesting. I think assigning sole copyright to OSM (i.e. contributor
> retains no copyright) would be a show-stopper for some people,
> including me. But looks like a worthwhile initiative for other
The FSF agreement is not something where the contributor retains no
copyright. (It is impossible in many jurisdictions to give up your
intellectual ownership of something. You can only grant others all
sorts of rights, and that's what it is about.)
I see that there are tons of misunderstandings and half-knowledge
concerning licensing in our special case, and I would really like to
see a document spelling out in pllain English what you can and cannot
do with our data as it stands. Maybe the folks over at legal-talk can
produce something and put it up in the wiki. (Attempt at Cc without
being a member of that list. Will probably fail.)
"Can I use OSM data to distribute it with my proprietary navigation
"Can I put a slippy map based on OSM data on my home page where I
also earn money from banner ads?"
"Can I put a slippy map based on OSM data up on my company page where
I charge for using it, and sue people who make a copy of my version?"
"Can I use OSM data for preparing a report about asphalted roads in
Europe which I then sell to the industry for a fortune?"
"Can I use OSM data to prepare a cycling map that is available free
of charge to the members of my cycling club, but everyone else has to
pay for it?"
"Can I use OSM data to prepare a road map for my little village and
make it available no-strings-attached to anyone who wants to use it
for any purpose?"
Don't try to answer them here. Do it in the wiki ;-)
I'm all for as-permissive-as-can-be. I don't care whether our data is
shipped with commercial navigation systems and their producers make a
fortune from it as long as every other person on the planet has the
opportunity to do the same. (Actually I'd be somewhat proud if our
data someday reached a level where the professionals would think
about using it.) Being a computer guy interested in the field, maybe
I'll someday create my own commercial product and I would be
thoroughly pissed off if at that time I found out that I cannot use
OSM data, to which I contributed all the time, because of licensing
(Incidentally, isn't it hypocritical to call something "free" if it
comes with tons of strings attached of what you are and are not
allowed to do with it, and what you must do if you use it in your
work and so on? This just because someone here said "free as in free
software and certainly not PD". But I know I'm rather on my own with
Last posting about license stuff. Promise.
Frederik Ramm ## eMail frederik at remote.org ## N49°00.09' E008°23.33'
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