[OSM-talk] OSM layer into Adobe Illustrator?

[Barnett, Phillip]

Seconded. This really should be a wakeup call - I've been on this list for 10 months and this license issue surfaces every five or six weeks, and goes away again.

And yes, I'd happily PD my contributions, and I'm sure if there was a PD tickbox condition of entry, that 90% of contributors would happily agree. No need for lawyers.

Phillip


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org on behalf of Mike Collinson
Sent: Fri 2/23/2007 12:33 AM
To: talk at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM layer into Adobe Illustrator?
 
Agreed.  As head of  a small commercial company, I would not touch 
OSM data with a ten foot barge pole.  I'm sorry it is happening to 
you Phillip, but I am glad it is coming to a head.  I hope we don't 
just sink back into the current chaotic haze again.

Either there needs to be a very clear statement about what 
constitutes a derivative work and more importantly what is NOT a 
derivative work or the Creative Commons license needs to be abandoned 
for a true free-to-use license.  I personally am very pessimistic 
about the first, hiring a lawyer or no.

I sympathize with a significant minority of OSM contributors who feel 
that commercial companies should not benefit from their sweat.  But 
the current license is not the way to go about it.  The concept can 
work very well for software:  You can use this free word processor to 
print anything you like, but if you make any improvements to it, we'd 
like you to contribute them back.  But when you apply this to the OSM 
case it becomes: anything you print must be contributed back; oh, and 
if what you're printing contains anything with an incompatible 
license, well, tough, go elsewhere.

For my own personal contributions,  I contribute for public domain 
use - an perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, non-exclusive license 
to use my data without restriction.  OSM does not need to pay lawyers 
if the whole body goes the same way, because it is just so simple.

Mike
Manila


At 09:43 PM 22/02/2007, Barnett, Phillip wrote:
>This is ludicrous - I've got a national TV station interested in using
>imagery from OSM, great publicity, and it turns out not to be possible.
>I've been mapping for 10 months because I thought my efforts might
>actually be USEFUL to people....
>
>Please, why can't we pay a lawyer to come up with a license? How many
>people are signed up, 3000 by August, presumably more now? One-off
>contribution of GBP 5 each and voila, several lawyers who can clarify
>this whole mess.
>
>Will anybody else edit out that sentence on the front page, or shall I?
>
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>Phillip
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>-----Original Message-----
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>From: talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org
>[mailto:talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst
>Sent: 22 February 2007 13:29
>To: talk at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM layer into Adobe Illustrator?
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>Phillip Barnett wrote:
>
> > "OpenStreetMap is a project aimed squarely at creating and providing
> > free geographic data such as street maps to anyone who wants them. The
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> > project was started because most maps you think of as free actually
> > have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people
>
> > from using them in creative, productive or unexpected ways."
> > I particularly refer you to the jibe about 'holding people back from
> > using them in creative, productive or unexpected ways.'
>
>Yeah, the opening sentence on the wiki is a very bad joke, particularly
>when you then go on to the actual page about "Using OpenStreetMap"
>(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Using_OpenStreetMap):
>
>"For legal restrictions on the OSM data, see the OpenStreetMap License
>and Legal FAQ."
>
>Hang on, didn't we just say that _other_ maps are the ones with "legal
>restrictions"?
>
>cheers
>Richard
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