peter.miller at itoworld.com
Tue Jul 10 12:41:37 BST 2007
Sounds good Richard/Tom. Thanks
Agreed, 'Some rights reserved' is not every precise and 'CC-BY-SA' gives
more information to the informed reader in the same text length.
"data from www.openstreetmap.org, CC-BY-SA licence" makes a lot of sense. I
assume this text would be linked to the OSM site and Creative Commons
licence page respectively when used on a web site.
I agree that the legal text 'as prominent as' text is more suitable than my
hard font size although I am rather partial to pink ;)
Btw, who would you say was the Licensor for planet.osm was in the text you
quote? "to the extent reasonably practicable, the Uniform Resource
Identifier, if any, that *Licensor* specifies to be associated with the
Also, do you think that listing the Original Authors on the OSM web site
would be an appropriate interpretation of "give the Original Author credit
reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing by conveying the name
(or pseudonym if applicable) of the Original Author if supplied"
See you at the conference,
Who is the Licensor mentioned in the
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:03:21 +0100
From: Richard Fairhurst <richard at systemeD.net>
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Attribution
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Peter Miller wrote:
> Paper map/visualisation:
> "(cc) www.openstreetmap.org some rights reserved"
> "(cc) www.openstreetmap.org some rights reserved (CC-BY-SA)"
> Font size 8 point or larger.
Wuh? We're specifying a universal font size for all media? Why not specify
the typeface, the colour, and an angle of 23 degrees to the horizontal while
we're at it?
The CC-BY-SA legal code actually says:
- "You must include a copy of, or the Uniform Resource Identifier for, this
- "You must... give the Original Author credit reasonable to the medium or
means You are utilizing by conveying the name (or pseudonym if applicable)
of the Original Author if supplied; the title of the Work if supplied; to
the extent reasonably practicable, the Uniform Resource Identifier, if any,
that Licensor specifies to be associated with the Work, unless such URI does
not refer to the copyright notice or licensing information for the Work; and
in the case of a Derivative Work, a credit identifying the use of the Work
in the Derivative Work (e.g., "French translation of the Work by Original
Author," or "Screenplay based on original Work by Original Author").
- "Such credit may be implemented in any reasonable manner; provided... such
credit will appear where any other comparable authorship credit appears and
in a manner at least as prominent as such other comparable authorship
That seems plenty clear enough to me - there's no point us trying to rewrite
it, we just need to specify our name and URI, and the URI of the licence.
I'd echo Tom Chance's comment (on legal-talk) that "some rights reserved"
isn't really very helpful: it's better to actually say CC-BY-SA.
If I wanted to use OSM maps in the magazine I edit, I'd suggest the best
form of attribution would be a standard-sized ("in a manner at least as
prominent") picture credit of "data from www.openstreetmap.org, CC-BY-SA
licence", and a paragraph in the "flannel panel" explaining in friendly
language what Creative Commons licences are and how you can find out more,
including the URL of the full licence.
legal-talk cc:ed again.
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