[OSM-talk] R: Re: Enabling communities to use OSM as a planning tool
postdadaismo at libero.it
postdadaismo at libero.it
Sun Jun 22 08:42:54 BST 2008
Very interesting thread!
>From my experience, OSM is as good as a planning tool
as a paper map. Let's consider the combination of data-tools-people-processes
required to do planning...only some spot examples....
An actual planning
project (be it participatory or not) will benefit from various other sources of
information, ...aerial photography, rainfall time series, interviews to
stakeholders, reports, etc.
all these sources may or may not be available
according to "OSM-like" protocols.
planning may involve evaluating
analysis of spatial relationships which are the basic tasks within a GIS
environment but are not completely addressed by current OSM-centered clients
Planning also involves sharing insight and multidisciplinary knowledge
that will never (I hope) be totally recordable in an information system.
still like the idea of enabling communities to use OSM *data* for *streets*
(and for *some* points of interest) to be used within planning projects,
integrated with other data sources by tools (e.g. OpenLayers or you name it).
Raising awareness and enabling communities can be done by "doing it" and
talking about it (in our case, on July 2 at the Politecnico di Milano, Faculty
of Architecture, we will be having an event about at the end of our M(')appare
Milano project - more news to come).
This process also helps developers to
tailor tools (and data specifications, and data quality) to the needs of end
Clearly, "planning" in general terms is a very open domain of interest,
and there are various approaches to planning
...surely there are many cases
where the OSM website on its own, with the wiki (and the natural "community
tools" this brings), can satisfy the needs of a planning team, but I wanted to
stress the point that planning "tools" on their own won't do planning....It's a
bit like saying that a knife and a potato will make fish & chips on their own
Best regards (and happy mapping)!
Andrea Giacomelli - aka pibinko
president for GFOSS.it, Italian OSGEO Chapter - http://www.gfoss.it
pibinko.org - ideas and projects
http://pibinko.splinder.com - news and points
>Da: fabrizio.giudici at tidalwave.
>Data: 04/06/2008 21.02
>A: "spaetz"<osm at sspaeth.de>
<talk at openstreetmap.org>
>Ogg: Re: [OSM-talk] Enabling communities to use OSM
as a planning tool
>On Jun 4, 2008, at 20:39 , spaetz wrote:
>> On Wed,
Jun 04, 2008 at 11:09:33AM -0400, simon at mungewell.org wrote:
thought that occurs to me is that there will be many,
>>>> disparate groups
>>>> wishing to use OSM to plan stuff, only a very small proportion of
>>>> would eventually become reality. I'm not sure if it would be
>>>> to add these features to the main OSM database.
would also agree that it is probably not appropriate to add
(non-real) data to the main database, as it will make the editor view
significantly more cluttered and confused.
>>> At present they can achieve
the same effect using off line file and
>>> merging layers before rendering.
>> OpenLayers is capable of rendering local .osm data, so it's possible
have a local "planning layer" overlaid on the plain map.
>I don't know what
Simon had in mind, in any case I'm developing an
>application where there
will be travel planning, and it will also use
>OSM. I think that this should
be done locally, as others have
>suggested (in my case I have a full fledged
desktop application, so
>there are no problems at all).
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