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<font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hello
Openmappers<br>
<br>
According to the EU [ see -entire- thread below] it is possible that
users' -may- have rights to their own location coordinates, at no
charge from wireless network operators. Although the regulations cited
below are slightly equivocal it appears, at a minimum, that network
operators are restricted from selling location coordinates -for profit-
and may be required, under national laws to provide the data free of
charge.<br>
<br>
I may be involved in an upcoming project to help develop spatial
information infrastructure across Africa, so a European precedent is
quite important there too.<br>
<br>
I'd b very grateful if someone would forward this note to WSFII and
related lists. Thanks <br>
<br>
Cheers-<br>
<br>
Mike Liebhold<br>
- a friend of the family-<br>
<br>
(I wish I could join you all at the WSFII)<br>
<br>
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Michael Liebhold wrote:
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<font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Dear
Philippe,<br>
<br>
I recieved your message this time. I am very grateful for your help in
clarifying this question. <br>
<br>
Quite a few potential community services across Europe will be affected
by the final determination of Individuals' rights to access their own
location coordinates at no cost. I shall convey your responses to
colleagues working on a variety of services, who are meeting in London,
shortly for a planning meeting.<br>
<br>
Many Thanks,<br>
<br>
Michael Liebhold<br>
Senior Researcher<br>
Institute for the Future</font></font><br>
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<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left" dir="ltr"
lang="en-us"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> GERARD Philippe (INFSO) <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Michael Liebhold '<br>
<b>Cc:</b> BANABLE Stephen (INFSO)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Location Rights<br>
<br>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005">Dear Mr Liebhold,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005">I received your request only recently. Here
is a first reply on an informal basis. </span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005">Article 6 and 9 of the ePrivacy Directive
2002/58/EC (see link in Ruprecht's email, below) concern traffic and
location data. Some location data may in fact be traffic data since
they are needed for the transmission of the communication and may have
to be used for billing or interconnection payments.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005">Location data other than traffic data may
be further processed for value added services provided the user or
subscriber consents to this. Prior to that, he will have to be informed
see the text of Article 9. </span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005">When it comes to the rights of the
user/subscriber to access their own data, the conditions are set in the
general data protection rules (see Article 12 of Directive 95/46/EC,
at: <a
href="http://europa.eu.int/comm/justice_home/fsj/privacy/law/index_en.htm">http://europa.eu.int/comm/justice_home/fsj/privacy/law/index_en.htm</a>).
It should be possible 'without excessive delay or expense'. There is no
further hamronisation I am afraid, so that national law has to be
checked to find out what exact price or expenses have to be paid if any.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005">I hope that this is helpful. Please come
bacl to me if you have further questions.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005">My best regards,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="033280315-13092005"></span></font> </div>
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<p><span lang="fr-be"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">Philippe
GERARD</font></span> </p>
<p><span lang="fr-be"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">European
Commission</font><font face="Arial" size="2"> /<i> Commission européenne</i></font></span>
<br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">DG
Information Society and Media</font><font face="Arial" size="2"> /</font><i>
<font face="Arial" size="2">DG Société de l'Information et
Médias</font></i> </span><br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Directorate
B - Electronic Communications Policy</font><font face="Arial" size="2">
/</font><i> <font face="Arial" size="2">Politique des Communications
électroniques</font></i></span> <br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Unit
B1 - Policy Development</font><font face="Arial" size="2"> /</font><i> <font
face="Arial" size="2">Unité B1 - Conception des politiques</font></i></span>
</p>
<p><span lang="fr-be"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">Tel:
+32.2.296 86 44</font></span> <br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Fax:
+32.2.296 17 27</font></span> <br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">email:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Philippe.GERARD@cec.eu.int">Philippe.GERARD@cec.eu.int</a></font></span>
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lang="en-us"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> BANABLE Stephen (INFSO) <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Michael Liebhold '<br>
<b>Cc:</b> GERARD Philippe (INFSO); PATYK Magdalena (INFSO)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: Location Rights<br>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="544304714-08092005">Dear Mr. Liebhold,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="544304714-08092005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="544304714-08092005">I apologise for the delay in coming back to
you on your second question below. I have Asked Mr. Phillippe
Gerard who is responsible for these issues to contact you directly.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="544304714-08092005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="544304714-08092005">Regards</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="544304714-08092005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="544304714-08092005">Stephen Banable</span></font></div>
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lang="en-us"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> SCHREER Valerie (INFSO) <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> BANABLE Stephen (INFSO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> GRECO Frank (INFSO); DE RYCK Evelyne (INFSO)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: Location Rights<br>
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<div><font color="#008080" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
class="379460708-28072005">28/07/2005 - A/233916</span></font></div>
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class="379460708-28072005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#008080" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
class="379460708-28072005">Dear Mr Banable,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#008080" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
class="379460708-28072005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#008080" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
class="379460708-28072005">Mr Niepold received the hereunder question
while being on holidays. As Mr Greco suggests this is more under your
competence, would you be so kind as to answer Mr Liebhold's question.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#008080" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
class="379460708-28072005"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#008080" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
class="379460708-28072005">Thank you very much and kind regards,</span></font></div>
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<p><span lang="fr-be"><font color="#008080"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Valérie SCHREER MARTIN</font></span> <br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#008080"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">_______________________________________</font></span>
<br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#008080"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Secretary to Mr R. Niepold</font></span>
<br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#008080"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">DG Infso B4</font></span> <br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#008080"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Radio Spectrum Policy</font></span> <br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#008080"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Tel. 68643 - Fax 68395</font></span> <br>
<span lang="fr-be"><font color="#008080"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">________________________________________</font></span>
</p>
</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#008080" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
class="379460708-28072005"></span></font> </div>
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lang="en-us"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> Michael Liebhold [<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mliebhold@iftf.org">mailto:mliebhold@iftf.org</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NIEPOLD Ruprecht (INFSO)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Location Rights<br>
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<font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hello
Ruprecht,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your prompt and helpful reply. I'm sorry I missed the first
message while travelling. Do you and your colleagues understand to
these rules to mean that operators may -profit- providing location
coordinates to users or whether they are obliged to provide location on
a -cost recovery- basis? And if cost recovery is specified, what
burden may passed to users if capture of locations is mandatory for
network operators? Or, are these subleties that will be resolved later
on?<br>
<br>
Many thanks again,<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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href="mailto:Ruprecht.Niepold@cec.eu.int">Ruprecht.Niepold@cec.eu.int</a>
wrote:<br>
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<div><span class="779375805-27072005"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">27/7/05</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="779375805-27072005"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Dear Michael,</font></span></div>
<div><span class="779375805-27072005"></span> </div>
<div><span class="779375805-27072005"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">thanks for your message. I fact,
I sent you an e-mail on 30 June 2005, see below, but it obviously did
not reach you.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="779375805-27072005"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I hope that my indications
respond to your questions.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="779375805-27072005"><span lang="en-us"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">*** Ruprecht Niepold</font></span>
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<p><span lang="en-us"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">Head of Unit</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">DG INFSO B4: Radio Spectrum Policy</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">Office: BU33 7/5</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">Address: 200, Rue de la Loi, B-1049 Bruxelles , Belgium</font></span>
<br>
<span lang="en-us"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">Tel: +32 2 29 68955</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">Fax: +32 2 2968395</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">e-mail: <a href="mailto:Ruprecht.Niepold@cec.eu.int">Ruprecht.Niepold@cec.eu.int</a></font></span>
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color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">___________________</font></span></div>
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<p><font size="2">30/6/05</font></p>
<p><font size="2">Dear Mr. Liebhold,</font></p>
<p><font size="2">It was nice to exchange with you en
marge of the Telecoms Transition Conference in Lisbon and to learn
about geospatial web.</font></p>
<p><font size="2">You asked me a question on the
situation in Europe concerning location data held by operators. Here
are some clarifications:</font></p>
<p><font size="2">- from the privacy point of view: I
confirm that an operator must not use location data without consent of
the mobile user (except for limited cases such as emergency etc.). This
is enshrined in the European Privacy and Electronic Communication
Directive, see details under: </font><a
href="http://europa.eu.int/information_society/topics/ecomm/all_about/todays_framework/privacy_protection/index_en.htm"><u><font
color="#0000ff" size="2">http://europa.eu.int/information_society/topics/ecomm/all_about/todays_framework/privacy_protection/index_en.htm</font></u></a></p>
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<p>- My colleague expert in this piece on legislation
told me further (on the basis of an explanation, not a formal legal
interpretation of the texts applicable): On request, an operator must
indicate to a mobile user what personal data he holds. Therefore, if
solicited, the operator would have to notify the user that he holds
location data. The mobile user can then claim to have access to these
data, however the operator would be entitled to charge for this if he
wished to do so. </p>
<p>Hope this clarifies the situation</p>
<p>*** Ruprecht Niepold</p>
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dir="ltr" lang="en-us"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> Michael Liebhold [<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mliebhold@iftf.org">mailto:mliebhold@iftf.org</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NIEPOLD Ruprecht (INFSO)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Location Rights<br>
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<font size="-1"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Ruprecht Niepold<br>
Head of Unit<br>
Radio Spectrum Policy<br>
European Commission<br>
Information Society and Media Directorate General<br>
<br>
Hello Ruprecht,<br>
<br>
We met briefly at the Telcoms conference in Lisbon a few weeks ago. I'm
the researcher from the Institute for the Future working on grass
roots location services and the geospatial web.<br>
<br>
In passing, I thought I heard you mention that perhaps mobile network
operators may not be legally entitled to sell, or use themselves, a
user's location coordinates for commercial service offerings, without a
users explicit permission. Also, you may recall, that I asked you if
carriers are able to determine users coordinates, then do users have a
legal right to know their own location coordinates?<br>
<br>
When I asked, You said that you would clarify this when you returned to
your office. I would be very grateful if you could help shed some light
on this issue. This is a fundamental platform component for a great
number of potentially innovative and useful applications.<br>
<br>
Many Thanks, in advance, for your kind assistance.<br>
<br>
Michael Liebhold<br>
Senior Researcher, Geospatial Web<br>
The Institute for the Future<br>
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