<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">J.D. Schmidt</b> <<a href="mailto:jdsmobile@gmail.com">jdsmobile@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Nick Black wrote:<br>> On 7/5/06, Andy Armstrong <<a href="mailto:andy@hexten.net">andy@hexten.net</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:24, Dan Karran wrote:<br>>> > - it's rather large compared to my eTrex (though it's relatively
<br>>> > light)<br>>><br>>> Huge, innit? :)<br>>><br>>> > - it didn't manage to get a lock on 3 satellites whilst walking to<br>>> > work, whereas I think my eTrex does... I should really have waited to
<br>>> > let it get a lock before walking, but I was late already :)<br>>><br>>> Mine took nearly half an hour to get its head together - I thought it<br>>> was faulty. Eventually it worked where everything was and now it gets
<br>>> a fix within < 1 min from power up and gets a +/- 4m 3d fix shortly<br>>> thereafter.<br>><br>><br>> GPS units can't actually locate themselves anywhere on the Earth. They<br>> need<br>> to know at least which quater-sphere they are in to be able to carry out
<br>> the<br>> regression necessery to determine their position. That's why the first<br>> time<br>> you use a unit (or if you turn it off, travel a significant distance and<br>> turn it on again) it takes a while to sort itself out. My Garmin GPS 60
<br>> took a good 15 mins to determine my position the first time I turned it on,<br>> and I even told it I was in London.<br><br>If your GPS takes 15 minutes for a first fix, something is wrong with<br>it, especially if it is a newer GPS. What you might be thinking of, is
<br>the fact that it will take about 15 minutes to get a complete ephemeris<br>and almanac down. But the GPS should be able to provide a first fix and<br>be able to provide navigational data long time before that.</blockquote>
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First fix from a totally cold start? The last time it was turned
on was in Taiwan, then in London. Do you have a Garmin unit?<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> > Units with teh Sirf Star III chip<br>> shouldn't have this problem as they using GSM cells to locate themselves as
<br>> well as GPS satellites.<br><br>Oh ? Thats a new one. The SiRF III chipsets are NOT GSM enabled, and do<br>not contain any logic that allows it to pick up GSM cell transmissions.<br>Some multifunction devices that use SiRF III chipsets for the GPS
<br>functions contain additional logic in order to communicate via GSM for<br>updated trafficdata/use as a cellphone, and they might be using the GSM<br>cells for additional locationpositioning.<br>But saying that "Units with the Sirf Star III chip" are using GSM cells
<br>is not correct.</blockquote><div><br>
Thats what I thought until I someone pointed out this article to me:<br>
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<a href="http://www.sirf.com/Downloads/Collateral/GSC3(f)_6.20.05.pdf">http://www.sirf.com/Downloads/Collateral/GSC3(f)_6.20.05.pdf</a><br>
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and another that I can't find at the moment, think it was on Sirf's website.<br>
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Its about all the documentation I could find about Sirf Star III, the
mention of GSM is a *bit* flakey - the chip must at least be compatible
with GSM receivers then?<br>
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Nick<br>
<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">J.D. "Dutch" Schmidt<br></blockquote></div><br>