I have written a private email to Imi asking him to reconsider and making some of the same points that David does.<br><br>Etienne<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/6/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">David Groom</b>
<<a href="mailto:reviews@pacific-rim.net">reviews@pacific-rim.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Imi
<br><br>I would ask that you please reconsider your decision. You have contributed<br>so much to the OSM community that it really would be a sad loss if you were<br>to leave.<br><br>If as you say "There are too much differences in the understanding of 'free'
<br>between Steve and me." then I would sat that is all the more reason for you<br>to have a major input into the new OSMF, as then you and Steve would<br>represent two different points of opinion, both of which probably have large
<br>support from the various contributors to OSM. If only one "side" is<br>represented then there can not be a lively debate about what the OSMF is to<br>be and how the whole project moves forward.<br><br>I am sorry if you feel that the differences between you have got so large as
<br>to make you feel you have to resign as Secretary. All I can say is that<br>sometimes with email communication, particular across a mailing list rather<br>than one to one, the tendency is to conserve time and in doing so write in a
<br>way that may exaggerate differences.<br><br>Regards<br><br>David<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Immanuel Scholz" <<a href="mailto:immanuel.scholz@gmx.de">immanuel.scholz@gmx.de</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:58 PM<br>Subject: [OSM-talk] Resign as a secretary (was: The long tail)<br><br><br>> Hi,<br>><br>> I hereby resign as my (not yet elected anyway) position as a
<br>> OSMF-secretary.<br>><br>> There are too much differences in the understanding of "free" between<br>> Steve and me.<br>><br>> I am not yet sure whether I will be active in the rest of the OSM
<br>> community or not. (But if not, JOSM sources/binaries will be available for<br>> a long time for anyone to grab and continue my work).<br>><br>><br>>> In a private email, Imi sent this which he's agreed I can publish:
<br>>><br>>>>> Then there are the bad server performance problems.<br>>>>> Next was, that there are privacy issues.<br>>>>> Then some concerns about forking projects came up.<br>>>>> Now you say that you are threatened by the gouvernment to close down
<br>>>>> the server. When asked for evidence you just answer that we all agree<br>>>>> with you anyway.<br>>><br>>> Which are the reasons he thinks I'm mad, and he also thinks that I'm<br>
>> trying to control the database and not release it.<br>><br>> Steve came up with other excuses every time I asked for a database dump. I<br>> didn't said he is mad, but accused him of lying and not giving out the
<br>> database for false excuses.<br>><br>><br>> (Now we can add a new item to the list: "But you all know that<br>> distributing the data is bad - think of the bicycle-webcam-example."<br>> Sorry, but I cannot stand this crap anymore.)
<br>><br>><br>><br>>>>> Next was, that there are privacy issues.<br>>><br>>> Yes. There are deep privacy issues. I used to volunteer for an<br>> ...<br>> [long stuff about CCTV, bicycles and why we would not want to make the
<br>> data open]<br>> ...<br>><br>> Sorry, but bullshit.<br>><br>> All contributors released their data under the terms of CC-by-sa.<br>><br>> "...Licensor hereby grants You a ... license to exercise the rights in the
<br>> Work as stated below:<br>> - to reproduce the Work, to incorporate the Work into one or more<br>> Collective Works, and to reproduce the Work as incorporated in the<br>> Collective Works;"<br>><br>
> So by uploading the data, everybody WANT the data to be free. Also please<br>> do not say that we originally should not want to distribute it for some<br>> political reason you made up with your prof.<br>><br>
><br>> [long stuff about a mail full of copyrighted postcodes]<br>><br>> So what? Only because you received a mail from someone unknown full of<br>> copyrighted data, you conclude that it must be OS guys?<br>
><br>> Maybe it was someone want to help you, sent you data he found and got awed<br>> because he didn't realized it was illegal to do so? Maybe not..<br>><br>> Anyway, projects like this will always have to live with people submitting
<br>> copyrighted data. (That's one of the problems distributing planet.osm<br>> without information about specific data origin - if something is<br>> corrupted, you have to delete the whole planet.osm).<br>><br>
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