On 7/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Richard Fairhurst</b> <<a href="mailto:richard@systemed.net">richard@systemed.net</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On 5 Jul 2006, at 20:27, Jo Walsh wrote:<br><br>> Huh. I thought LUL - or what was left of it after the selloff to Tube<br>> Lines / Metronet - was subsumed by Transport For London [0].<br>> Have TfL have really been issuing takedowns? On what grounds? Can you
<br>> dig out references for this?<br><br>As Tom posted the other day, "the things that have been subject to<br>take-downs are things that were using modified official tube maps or<br>using the tube roundel trademark in some way". So it's the artistic
<br>design that they're guarding jealously.</blockquote><div><br>And yet this: <a href="http://www.davidandassociates.co.uk/davidandblog/archive/tfl/the_Tate_Gallery_by_Tube.jpg">http://www.davidandassociates.co.uk/davidandblog/archive/tfl/the_Tate_Gallery_by_Tube.jpg
</a> which is advertising the Tate Gallery, and this: <a href="http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=21700&searchid=9345&tabview=image">http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=21700&searchid=9345&tabview=image
</a> which is hanging in the Tate are both copying the artistic design of the London tube map. I haven't heard that anyone has objected to these.<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
This accords with my experience - while at Waterscape, I drew this,<br>which we were going to put out as a nice little bit of PR:<br><a href="http://www.systemeD.net/carto/londonwaterways.gif">http://www.systemeD.net/carto/londonwaterways.gif
</a></blockquote><div><br>Very nice!<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">but British Waterways' lawyers insisted on checking with TfL, and TfL
<br>said "no ----ing way", claiming the design was too similar. Even the<br>hardened BW guys were astonished how aggressive TfL was. (They claimed<br>that people might get confused with the real map. Right.) TfL's map
<br>copyright stuff is actually administered by the London Transport Museum<br>- go figure.<br><br>OTOH, way back in 1999 or so, I drew this:<br><a href="http://www.systemeD.net/carto/underground_map1024.jpg">http://www.systemeD.net/carto/underground_map1024.jpg
</a></blockquote><div><br>Also very nice! <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">which was actually picked up and used on the TfL page in Metro. But I
<br>suspect that was the work of an over-enthusiastic publishing agency and<br>that TfL themselves weren't consulted.<br><br>As a wise man once sang: "London Underground - they're all greedy<br>---ts, I want to shoot them all with a rifle, la la la la..."
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