On 9/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Tom Carden</b> <<a href="mailto:tom@tom-carden.co.uk">tom@tom-carden.co.uk</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On 04/09/06, Tom Chance <<a href="mailto:tom@acrewoods.net">tom@acrewoods.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> The web applet sucks.<br>><br><br>Speaking as the person who wrote the initial version of the current<br>applet, can I just say that the continued trashing of it on this list
<br>is tiresome, offensive, and not constructive. </blockquote><div><br>It is the burden of all software developers that their users will criticize the software. Try not to take it too personally. It is never meant personally and is usually a clumsy attempt to be constructive.
<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I accept, as I'm sure<br>do Steve (who wrote the tiling interface to the applet amongst other
<br>bits) and Imi (who retrofitted tagging into the applet, even though he<br>didn't like it!), that the way the applet works just isn't viable for<br>efficient and productive editing. If we knew then what we know now,<br>
we would have done it differently. I don't want to hear any more "the<br>applet sucks" type criticisim. Everyone agrees it's unusable... and<br>yet nobody is stepping up to do something about it.<br><br>Here's my suggestion:
<br><br>It seems that for 99% of people actually actively mapping, JOSM is the<br>main tool of choice (no offense to other editor writers). How about<br>we ditch the applet and put a page about JOSM on the edit tab?<br>Download links, how to navigate to the area you were just viewing, a
<br>full tutorial, etc. I don't think at the moment it would hurt OSM one<br>bit if JOSM became an 'official' client and there was no web-based<br>editing solution.</blockquote><div><br>Or have <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org">
www.openstreetmap.org</a> go to the wiki and have a link from there to the slippy map at <a href="http://edit.openstreetmap.org">edit.openstreetmap.org</a>.<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
These are changes that can be written by any one of the extremely<br>motivated non-coder OSM contributors, and would be far more<br>productive, and less hurtful, than whining about the applet.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Tom.<br>
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