On 9/6/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Nick Hill</b> <<a href="mailto:nick@nickhill.co.uk">nick@nickhill.co.uk</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Bruce Cowan wrote:<br>> On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 21:40 +0000, Ben Robbins wrote:<br>><br>>> I recon its a good idea for more work, more reward, but if its just<br>>> the amount of breadcrumbs, then i could just leave my gps overnight
<br>>> and would have 10,000 more in the morning all in 1 spot.<br>> I doubt people would do such a thing to just get a few trackpoints in<br>> their name. Surely GPS's (?) don't log if there is no movement, as my
<br>> system of a TomTom (!) Bluetooth GPS and PDA doesn't log if there is no<br>> movement.<br><br>Ditto Ben Robbins post of 23:10<br><br>The competition could have direct negative effects on OSM:<br>1) De-incentivising people who have done a lot of useful work on OSM.
<br>They get a poor score whereas someone playing football with a GPS gets a<br>high score. Their effort is not being rewarded.<br><br>2) Incentivises competitors to collect data even if the data has no<br>value to mapping streets and footpaths. This clogs the system with junk
<br>which slows the servers and editing. Such junk data can also make<br>footpaths and streets indistinct.<br><br>3) Encourages people who would otherwise work hard drawing, segmenting<br>and labeling streets to do something less useful; collecting GPS data
<br>over and above what they need to do the task they have set themselves.<br><br><br>I am generally in favour of competitions, but only if the metrics used<br>don't lead to perverse incentives. It appears the metrics used for this
<br>competition provide perverse incentives. I can't think of any good<br>automated metrics which would be easily deployed. I would therefore only<br>favour a competition based on merit judged both subjectively and<br>objectively.
</blockquote><div><br>It should be noted that recording 1,000,000 tracklogs does not *automatically* guarantee one of these things. Some user called SteveC has apparently uploaded over 6,000,000 trackpoints but hasn't got a mega-star. It's rumoured that he bought most of his trackpoints from a courier company ;-)
<br><br>If someone has uploaded 1,000,000 track points then it should be pretty blatently obvious whether or not they deserve one of these things. <br><br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I am not taking part in the current competition. I am happy just to make<br>good maps.</blockquote><div><br><br>Its *not* a competition, its simply a way of recognising that someone has contributed a lot. It makes people feel good about what they've done. Simple psychology.
<br><br>Etienne<br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list
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