I have suggested on several occassions, and strongly urged on several other occassions, that <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org">www.openstreetmap.org</a> should take people directly to the wiki and not the dreadfully slow applet.
<br><br>I'm probably not going to mention it again.<br><br>Etienne<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/11/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">David Groom</b> <<a href="mailto:reviews@pacific-rim.net">reviews@pacific-rim.net
</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>blank<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "David Earl" <
<a href="mailto:david@frankieandshadow.com">david@frankieandshadow.com</a>><br>To: "OSM" <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:02 PM
<br>Subject: [OSM-talk] Some observations from a newcomer<br><br><br>> I've recently joined in doing some mapping. I thought I'd share some<br>> observations. Though I'm new to this project, I do consider myself<br>
> technically competent.<br>><br>> To understand the process, I've systematically done the town of<br>> Chapel-en-le-Frith in Derbyshire (pop 6,000), and my home village of<br>> Fulbourn, Cambridgeshire (pop 3,000). I'm planning on filling in the many
<br>> gaps in Cambridge city over coming months (what there is so far is mostly<br>> unnamed segments). (If someone more experienced want to review what I've<br>> done, I'd be interested to hear, so I don't propagate things which don't
<br>> follow conventions I don't know about).<br>><br>> - Sorry to start with a damning criticism, but the viewer on the home page<br>> is completely useless. It can leave it 20 minutes sometimes and never see
<br>> either the landsat images or any data plotted, or sometimes just a small<br>> part. The edit applet is the only way I can look at existing data (from<br>> the<br>> web site - obviously, I could use JOSM). I know there are "performance
<br>> problems", but frankly the viewer really doesn't work at all. I'm using<br>> IE7<br>> usually, but it's the same in Firefox 1.5, and I'm on a 4Mb broadband<br>> connection. I'm wondering whether there is something unusual at my end,
<br>> because I can't believe you would have something that is so functionally<br>> useless as the home page.<br><br>I think that over the past few days the Landsat server has been experiencing<br>problems, I've noticed a problem both in viewing landsat photos in the
<br>online viewer, and in the customised version of JOSM. Sadly this if this is<br>the case then its is outside of the control of OSM. Not much help, but if<br>in the online viewer you were logged in, then when looking at the "view" you
<br>were to click the plus button twice, to get from the default zoom level of<br>14 to zoom level 12, and then click the edit tab you should get data<br>displayed a lot quicker.<br><br><br><br>><br>> - It's quite hard to know what's been done already (unless there's nothing
<br>> at all!). Some areas look superficially complete, but when you look on the<br>> ground, you find only a skeleton of streets is there. The areas I've done<br>> are complete to the street level (E&OE) but don't include footpaths, and I
<br>> know there's lots of foot links between ends of culs-de-sac. It might be<br>> helpful to another contributor to know this. I've put a couple of<br>> proposals<br>> on the proposals pages that I would find hepful, but a general way of
<br>> defining the level of detail of mapping for an area might be helpful.<br>><br>> - A lot of areas seem to have segments, but virtually no Ways (and no<br>> street<br>> names). This seems like wasted effort as if you don't know the street
<br>> names,<br>> it needs a second survey to pick them up. I found I needed to put the<br>> names<br>> I collected into the map soon after surveying (even if I didn't upload it<br>> immediately), or I'd forget the nuances. Main roads form a useful
<br>> skeleton,<br>> but recording the closes and avenues of a housing estate without adding<br>> the<br>> street name data (and hence the Ways) seems pretty pointless to me.<br>><br>> - I tried photographing street name signs, but it was too fiddly turning
<br>> camera on and off (and wasn't helpful in the dark), and I decided in the<br>> end<br>> sketching a map, tube-style, as I went round was easiest.<br>><br>> - I had to cover some ground twice, just to get to virgin territory, and I
<br>> was surprised how much the GPS traces varied. Even when it said 6m<br>> accuracy,<br>> I'd find I'd got a parallel track to the previous day more than 6m away,<br>> and<br>> it wasn't just being on the other side of the road.
<br>><br>> - A question: I've got a railway going over a bridge over a road, but it<br>> shows up going under. How do I force the railway bridge to be an<br>> over-bridge? And can I, with the railway as a single Way, put it over one
<br>> road and under the next one it crosses?<br>><br>> - I sometimes wanted to mark the position of a roadside feature (e.g.<br>> Church, filling station). Waypoints are fiddly to enter, and I found the<br>> easiest way in the end was to mark the name on my sketch map, and, as I
<br>> was<br>> on a bike, just loop around on the road so I got a little circle on my<br>> tracklog.<br>><br>> - Why does osmarender do trunk roads in red and primaries in green? This<br>> is<br>> the reverse of the convention usually used in the UK. Maybe other
<br>> countries<br>> are different.<br>><br>> - I'll post a second message about JOSM.<br>><br>> David<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> talk mailing list<br>
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