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We are diametrically opposed on the CC/PD issue :-) but, as I understand
it, Robert is proposing an explicit grant of rights by me, the
contributor, to OSM. How OSM decides to redistribute the
data, CC or PD, is up to OSM as a body. <br><br>
As such, I enthusiastically endorse the proposal. As I'm
contributing some data to OSM as a by-product of a project with potential
commercial value, I would be very reassured with an explicit
acknowledgement that I can keep on using *my own* contributions in any
way I like and will keep on contributing. Secondly, in the current
chaotic situation, some one like me could conceivably announce, say, that
they are withdrawing any right OSM has to their speed camera
contributions. I'm not sure whether they would have good legal
grounds to do so, but it could be costly and damaging to OSM.
Contributing to OSM should be clearly and explicitly a one way
process.<br><br>
The only tweak I would like to the BBC model, is that OSM would also be
obligated to free public distribution as one of or its only mode of
publication (I use those words carefully). I think both CC-ers and
PD-ers would agree on that? No Gracenoting, I think was the term
someone on the list coined.<br><br>
Mike<br>
Manila<br><br>
<br>
At 04:07 AM 1/02/2007, A Morris wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I vote for keeping CC.<br><br>
I'm totally happy with my CC-licensed map data being used in proprietary
navigation systems, speed camera warning systems, printed maps sold in
shops, websites with adverts, etc, but when said vendor discovers a new
speed camera, I want them to be forced to add that speed camera back into
OSM. <br><br>
That simply won't happen if OSM is PD.<br><br>
<br><br>
On 1/31/07, <b>Robert (Jamie) Munro</b>
<<a href="mailto:rjmunro@arjam.net">rjmunro@arjam.net</a> >
wrote:<br>
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<dd>Lester Caine wrote:<br>
<dd>> Nic Roets wrote:<br>
<dd>>> My 2 cents :<br>
<dd>>> <br>
<dd>>> To me it makes no difference weather I contribute to a CC /
GPL<br>
<dd>>> project, or weather I contribute to a PD project with a
good<br>
<dd>>> non-profit orginization (NPO) behind it :<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> If someone then sells a relicensed version of my PD work,
that's fine <br>
<dd>>> because, in the internet era, his clients will be just one
or two<br>
<dd>>> websearches away from discovering the true magnitude of
his<br>
<dd>>> contribution.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> If only that was the case :( <br>
<dd>> You obviously have not heard about the current case relating to
a<br>
<dd>> company selling reworked PD material as their own work and
trying to<br>
<dd>> extract licence fees from the people who actually created it !
<br>
<dd>>
<a href="http://jmri.sourceforge.net/k/index.html">
http://jmri.sourceforge.net/k/index.html</a><br>
<dd>> If the company win, then the licence covering such little
projects as<br>
<dd>> Perl are not worth the disk space they are stored on. <br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> So lets take care that a commercial hijack does not take place
here!<br><br>
<dd>That's an interesting case, but it mostly refers to patents, not<br>
<dd>copyright and I don't see how it's relevant here. <br><br>
<dd>Does anyone actually object to what I am proposing? I.e. OSM
foundation<br>
<dd>have a statement like this one from BBC News (just change "BBC
News" to<br>
<dd>"OSM foundation"):<br><br>
<dd> In contributing to BBC News you agree to grant us a
royalty-free, <br>
<dd> non-exclusive licence to publish and otherwise use the
material<br>
<dd> in any way that we want, and in any media
worldwide.<br><br>
<dd> [snip stuff about foreign broadcast partners]<br><br>
<dd> It's important to note, however, that you still own the
copyright <br>
<dd> to everything you contribute to BBC News ...<br><br>
<dd>Also see
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/">http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/</a>
paragraph 9, "Contributions to<br>
<dd><a href="http://bbc.co.uk">bbc.co.uk</a>". <br><br>
<dd>Lots of other websites have similar agreements.<br><br>
<dd>Back to the real issue: Does anyone mind their data being used to
derive<br>
<dd>public domain UK postcodes?<br><br>
<dd>I suppose, if we get a download by user feature on OSM, something
could <br>
<dd>be added to <a href="http://npemaps.org">npemaps.org</a> that lets
users sign up and agree to their OSM<br>
<dd>contribs being mirrored. While this would work, it would be
silly.<br><br>
<dd>Robert (Jamie) Munro<br><br>
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