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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hoi everybody :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I need help and advice.
The situation is the following:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1) I am a member of a
club interested in inland navigation (DBA, mostly we deal with vintage dutch
barges, but that's not a strict requirement, basically we are in an
"anything goes" situation).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>2) As a club we are one
of the biggest in Europe (at least among the English ones, possibly also one of
the most noisy in defending free inland navigation, museum boats + people
living aboard)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>3) We have been
unofficially contacted by a govt agency in order to help defining the criteria
for an european portal related to inland navigation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This portal will publish
normative stuff, timetables, lock-gate related material, drafts, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This is where I got in
the story at personal level. I run a Drupal based site called <a
href="http://bargewiki.i-iter.org/">http://bargewiki.i-iter.org/</a> that is
slowly beginning to assemble a "map" of the inland waters and because
of this I was asked to prepare the actual tech requests. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I based my superficial
analysis on some small foundations:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1) the minimal
"unit" we need at DB level is a "waterway section" (some
waterways are administered by different entities, some of them even overlap
each other). The idea is that by assembling "sections" we can make
"administrative domains", waterways, standing match routes or
whatever else.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>2) Sections come in 2
flavors (linear and square). Canals and rivers are mostly linear, lakes and see
branches are made in checkerboards.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>3) Density may always be
augmented. We can start from a uniform density and locally grow in a telescopic
way (100 linear meters of an Amsterdam canal are going to contain more
normative information than 10 sq. miles in IJsselmeer).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>4) We want a wiki-like
model. That is, a single shared public database in which any number of users
can add data, objects, events, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>5) Since this information
is relevant for the lives of the boaters (and their money, since sadly prices
for barges are damn high) we want the source to be always clearly identifiable.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>6) Single user should
have the possibility to decide what sort of information they "trust".
Clubs should be able to offer "ready-made trustable selections", etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>7) Information published
on the portal should be self-distributing with no human intervention via
RSS/ATOM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>8) A WAP based access
should be granted, as even a dinghy has a mobile phone, nowadays<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>We are beginning the
phase in which our wiki will start to collect GPS identified data (lock,
bridges, notable points, etc). One obvious solution seemed to me that we can
use the META Geourl tags to identify them. Would this be enough to deliver them
to an OpenGIS system? If not, what should we do? I believe this is NOT enough,
because it does not even say what the thing is.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>We are interested in
starting openGIS experiments at any moment. As you probably know, the
Belgium-France-Mediterranean directory is frequently used by boaters to access
the Mediterranean from the North Sea (and back) without taking the fuss to meet
the ocean in the Biscaille Gulf area, so having a public free map system would be
a knock-out. We are also in contact with other groups who mostly do sea
navigation, mainly based in the Mediterranean and Baltic area, so there can be
a propagation effect. We would really like to enter into some established form
of co-operation with the open-GIS development.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Moreover, there is an
important detail, although faraway in the future: many boats have on board
instruments that permanently collect data about depth, current, etc. They are
permanently interfaced to computers, so it's no big deal to write a procedure
that will store data coupled with time and GPS coordinates. While these data
are evidently going to be mixed in precision (different sensors, bad response
for depth sounders in shallow) we still can request our members to record them and
later upload them. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Data will also
(obviously) available to third parties that make a commercial use of it, since
it's going to be licensed on CC-attribution, and maybe this will help chart
vendors in staying out of our road, as they can pretty much benefit from what
we publish. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>By all means, it looks
like what we need is simply "join openstreets". Yet after a quick
exploration I have a few open questions: I see there is a key for
"waterway" (<a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:waterway">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:waterway</a>
) and in fact waterways are there. Yet, I cannot seem to find a way to mark
notable points on it lock-gates, bridges, etc. These points are important for
navigation, and they should somehow include relevant data, like air-draft,
draft, timetables, etc. Is it me being stupid (that's highly probable :) ) or
it really means I'm asking to modify the software?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Berto 'd Sera<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Skype: berto.d.sera<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Personagi dl'ann 2006 per
l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) <a
href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html">http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=FR-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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