<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>Well, the T&C for London Online don't exactly give me confidence that I can<br>copy and use their street name listing so therefore I won't.
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<div>Pretty standard T&Cs for a site like this. Obviously they want to cover all there data i just depends how valuable the listing of street names is to them. You here some to think they are like gold dust for a list of street names.
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<div>Well I'll email them and see.</div>
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<div>Maybe if we use their basic data (I cannot imagine it is too valueble to them compared there other data on the site) and have a complete map of London they would want to put it on their website and not have to pay multi-map, etc for the honour. Are they going to want an incomplete map on there?
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<div>I thought that would be part of the goal of this project. Or maybe you do not want people to use the map?</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I'm still a little confused as to why you think a "complete" list of<br>streetnames is so imperative. I'm sure the OSM database will have as
<br>complete a list of street names as any other database with time. It's a wiki<br>so it's pretty easy to fill in gaps, even if it takes a few iterations to<br>get it perfect. If someone finds a street is missing it gets added. Why does
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<div>I am confused why you think having a complete list street names is *not* imperative for a basic map.</div>
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<div>What would a layman want from a map. Do you not think it containing the all the street in a given town is useful? How useful is a map with an unknown number of missing streets?</div>
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<div>I would use OSM for looking up address and finding my way around London if I was confident in it. But as I know from the small amount of streets I checked there are missing roads then I will continue to use multimap, streetmap, etc instead.
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<div>I imagine many people/business/etc will not use it as a resource if this is the case. </div>
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<div>But if people think it is complete for certain areas then they will use it more and word will spread more and more data will be inputted and OSM gets better?</div>
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<div>Are you suggesting that it will get worse? I just see it as a natural progression.</div>
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<div>All I want to do is help improve this.</div>
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<div>Do you know what streets are missing? When will all the streets be mapped so it becomes a useful resource? You do not know.</div>
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<div>Would it be nice to say you have mapped (fairly completely) a whole area?</div>
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<div>Obviously over time it will get better but when will it be complete will all the streets say in central London? There are always things to add say someone wants to add a pub on the corner of a road and the road does not exist they might think it is too complex to add a whole road and they just want want to add a more simple marker. I know I would be put off and they would loss confidence in the whole thing.
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<div>Once you are confident that you have all the streets in a given area then updating it pro-actively is easier. Once you have a "completed" map then when new streets are created (or removed) it *can* become easier with the right info.
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<div>I suppose you will not think it useful if the project gets lists of all new streets in a given area. I see this as very useful. </div>
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<div>Your solution seems to be it will get filled in when someone gets around to it but if they do not know it is a problem who will fix it?</div>
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<div>Or maybe they should check the same area day after day in Yahoo imagery or walk every road in an area just in case a new road shows up....</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I accept that it's perhaps not useful always to suggest a location has been<br>fully mapped and is hence "complete", especially if it's not had some sort
<br>of quality control check, but marking places as complete is a useful measure<br>of progress and permits energy to be focused elsewhere. At some point, as<br>areas get mapped out, the OSM userbase will fall back to checking and
<br>infilling and generally improving the data they have already uploaded, and<br>that will include fixing errors and missing data.<br><br>OSM is still in its infancy with a lot of data to add even for the most<br>heavily mapped areas such as the UK. Give places like London another year
<br>and I think the situation will look a lot different and the number of<br>streetnames in the database for a given city will probably more closely<br>reflect the actual number of streetnames to be found when you visit them.
<br><br>The best way for us all to help this process along is to find a blank area,<br>map it and get those streetnames into the database. If you don't have a GPS<br>then stick to somewhere with Yahoo imagery. That's all there is to it.
<br><br>Cheers<br><br>Andy<br><br>Andy Robinson<br><a href="mailto:Andy_J_Robinson@blueyonder.co.uk">Andy_J_Robinson@blueyonder.co.uk</a><br><br><br><br></blockquote><br>